Battle Master Enchantment

IceBox · 02/10/07, 6:33 AM

Good day to you!

I just saw the enchantment in our trade channel and saw the healing values of the proc (180 to 300) and i started to ask myself how often it procs.

I would test it myself but i the void crystals are just too expensive atm. so i thought i could maybe ask some serious theorycrafters which hanging around on EJ forums ^^

If it's proc like Heroism or even Crusader it would be kinda valuable for farming with fury and you could use it in a warlock group for providing them health to do their Life Tap :>

• Relwin · 02/10/07, 10:21 AM

It procs a fair bit less than crusader. Solo, it is a useless enchant. In a raid, it procs some overheal every once in a while.

All in all I was largely unimpressed with the enchant.

^_^ :> :3 ;_; keke -_-

IceBox · 02/10/07, 11:01 AM

Edit: looks like the description on the formula is false, currently it does the following which would be pretty nice imho:

Permanently enchant a Melee Weapon to occasionaly heal nearby party members of 180 to 300 health when an enemy is struck. Requires a level 35 or higher item.

Malan · 02/10/07, 11:41 AM

Relwin did you have it on both weapons or just one?

• Relwin · 02/10/07, 2:32 PM

Just one. Still procced a good bit less than Crusader. If I had to guess off the top of my head I'd give it 1 proc per 2.5 of Crusader.

Binkenstein · 02/10/07, 4:15 PM

I have a funny feeling it won't be used that often.

The caster version of it worked out to give roughly 10mp5 per person in the party, assuming you had a cast time of 1.5 seconds.
2.5 was 6mp5, 3 was 5mp5.

I doubt that this enchant will be any more viable/useful than that one.

Malan · 02/10/07, 4:22 PM

Originally Posted by Relwin

Just one. Still procced a good bit less than Crusader. If I had to guess off the top of my head I'd give it 1 proc per 2.5 of Crusader.

That doesn't seem unreasonable though since it's doing 5x the healing of crusader.

Can anyone provide some proc-watch data on DWing this enchant on various speeds of weapons? I unfortunately will not be getting the enchants until we start DEing epics in KZ, so maybe a week more till we're doing that.

IceBox · 02/10/07, 4:59 PM

I will do some proc watch tests as soon as I get the void shards :>

Elendril · 02/10/07, 7:35 PM

Originally Posted by Binkenstein

I have a funny feeling it won't be used that often.

The caster version of it worked out to give roughly 10mp5 per person in the party, assuming you had a cast time of 1.5 seconds.
2.5 was 6mp5, 3 was 5mp5.

I doubt that this enchant will be any more viable/useful than that one.

Err - almost every one of our healers and many of our DPS casters are using spellsurge. It seems to have a MUCH higher proc rate than thottbot indicates. I've actually been so impressed by it that I've been wondering whether it can proc off hunter casts like Steady Shot/Arcane Shot (it's apparently proc'ing off things like mounting and bandaging atm, like the old blue dragon trinket), and if it would proc twice as much if I had it on main and offhand weapons.

Glandur · 02/12/07, 6:32 AM

Well, if you look closer at the spellsurge enchant on thott, it seems that the procrate is 15% as opposed to 3% in the description: http://www.thottbot.com/?sp=28003 . That could explain why it feels like more than 3%.

Binkenstein · 02/12/07, 7:34 PM

That 15% seems to be based on 5 people having it in one party, I based my calc on one person having it.

Elendril, could you get your casters to see if they can work out a proc rate?

Ultramax · 02/12/07, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Elendril

Originally Posted by Binkenstein

I have a funny feeling it won't be used that often.

The caster version of it worked out to give roughly 10mp5 per person in the party, assuming you had a cast time of 1.5 seconds.
2.5 was 6mp5, 3 was 5mp5.

I doubt that this enchant will be any more viable/useful than that one.

Err - almost every one of our healers and many of our DPS casters are using spellsurge. It seems to have a MUCH higher proc rate than thottbot indicates. I've actually been so impressed by it that I've been wondering whether it can proc off hunter casts like Steady Shot/Arcane Shot (it's apparently proc'ing off things like mounting and bandaging atm, like the old blue dragon trinket), and if it would proc twice as much if I had it on main and offhand weapons.

When I tried it on beta it would only proc on things like Mend Pet and Kill Command. Shots didn't proc it at all.

Apate · 02/14/07, 11:12 AM

Whoever gets this enchant should also see how it works with threat

Elendril · 02/14/07, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by Binkenstein

That 15% seems to be based on 5 people having it in one party, I based my calc on one person having it.

Elendril, could you get your casters to see if they can work out a proc rate?

The proc rate they estimated is much closer to 15% than 3%.

Also, the effect stacks, so multiple spellsurges in the same group can be up at once.

Brassicus · 02/14/07, 2:21 PM

Incoming derail: Anyone have a good feeling, then, if it would make more sense for a shadow priest to pick Spellsurge up or just go for the +40 damage for VT regen?

Originally Posted by Binkenstein

The caster version of it worked out to give roughly 10mp5 per person in the party, assuming you had a cast time of 1.5 seconds. 2.5 was 6mp5, 3 was 5mp5.

I'd speculate for a shadow priest it's around 1.5s (between SWD/SWP/VE instant, MB/VT 1.5s, MF 3s) depending entirely, of course, on your spell rotation. But let's say on average it's 1.5s. At 10 MP5 or 2 mana/sec, you'd need to be doing 40 dps with VT up to match the regen. I don't have a really strong grasp on what +40 damage means in terms of DPS. Anyone help? There's also the incidentals of this proccing off of shields and all the other random stuff you do while not damage casting.

Originally Posted by Elendril

Also, the effect stacks, so multiple spellsurges in the same group can be up at once.

Can one person's spellsurge stack concurrently?