poidz

just of note you dont really need to input text or arguments to critically heal or just normal either since you're only testing the amount of procs. unless other group members heals are also in your combat log ("your battlemaster heals playernotyou for 222") you could probably get away with "Your Battlemaster"

 

◊ Malan

Ok here's the new data. This time I took WF off and had a shield in the offhand, so this was done with a 2.6 speed weapon.

I tried doing that and it wouldn't record any procs even though I would clearly see them going off.

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• Nite_Moogle

Looks like the initial guess of "less than Crusader" is quite accurate. If you'd assume .75 PPM (which is probably generous given that Flurry was undoubtedly up at least some of the time) it's doing maybe 200 HP/min on the group off your white damage, and though Windfury and Stormstrike (or Slice & Dice) would crank that up quite a bit but even in the best of situations you're talking about maybe 2000-2500 HP in a minute spread across the group. It's by no means a trivial amount over a few hours of meleeing, but for any encounter where you'd want the proc from it to be going off it's going to be a drop in a pretty large bucket. Without the strength boosting side effect of Crusader I am not sure it's all that great of an enchant.

 

◊ Malan

How does one determine if it is a true proc per min, or just a straight "chance to proc"?

 

• Nite_Moogle

Use different speeds of weapons. I'm sure you want to get an offhand enchant too right?
No, really, I think that we can deduce it's PPM from your first screenshot. If it's percentage based your second shot means it's only 3%, which is pretty horrible for obvious reasons. .75 PPM means that when you get some haste and free attacks rolling you'll see more procs per minute than that in actuality (since the PPM rate is based off your number of unhasted attacks per minute which does not include instant attacks either) and the percentages of hits to procs will no longer match up as your first screenshot displays. I am foggy about whether or not Procwatch counts offhand attacks since I only ever used it with two-handed weapons, but even if you have an equal-speed offhand the percentages don't quite match up.

If you really want to prove it just repeat the test using Windfury and Stormstrike. Your actual proc rate will probably be slightly higher, which would mean it's PPM based.

 

◊ Malan

yah soon as I replace all the prismatic shards from this one. my enchanter wasn't exactly happy to part with 8 at once. I was planning to wait till I got an 80 dps off hand, so not sure when I'll put it on the OH.

 

• Nite_Moogle

I did a lot of editing sorry You can prove it without needing a second weapon enchanted.

 

Tel

Having had battlemaster for a week or two, and now got mongoose, I can happily say (completely anecdotally) that mongoose seems to proc ALOT more. I'm waiting for an offhand comparible to my Malchazeen before i get that enchanted, but im hearing good things about double proc stacking if you have it duel wielded. On a fast offhand like a sunblade, or in a muti build, I forsee this being by FAR the enchant of choice.

 

Romper

Battlemaster would have to proc ALOT to outdo mongoose as a tanking enchant, mongoose is practically up all the time, too imba.

 

stinkfot

where did you find a working procwatch?

 

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For Warriors at least, Crusader has no true heir, heh. Savagery is nice mind you.

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Triton

So jealous right now. It's good to see that your experience matches the theorycrafting on the rogue dps spreadsheet, and I'm anxiously awaiting some dual Mongoose action myself. By the way, were you having any threat issues with the heaing proc off Battlemaster?

 

tbone47

even for tanking?

I was under the assumption that Battlemaster is the best enchant for tanks. considering the extra threat generation from group heals.

 

◊ Malan

I've only had Battlemaster on my main hand but its been there for about 2 weeks now, I'm fairly pleased with it. Generally at the end of the night its done 50% or more of the healing done by my individual LOTP procs. Granted that may not *seem* like much, but I figure it's extra healing that didn't cost mana and if more people in the group had it, or if I also had it on my offhand, it would probably be a very decent subsidy heal to the group to help relieve stress from the healers on non priority targets.

 

Quasar

Should I assume this is something that doesn't proc in Feral forms? I imagine it doesn't, but I hold a small glimmer of foolish, foolish hope.

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• frmorrison

The proc watch people are using is the old pre 2.0 one but with an updated TOC file.

If you don't want to do that yourself, Curse has a version of Proc watch with the toc updated.

 

Waz

I would say Mongoose is the best enchant of tanking, it procs a lot and because of that you gain nearly 4% chance to crit for more threat, 4% to dodge, and I think 220 ac. Now assuming Battlemaster heals a group for 2500 in about a minute and I would have 4% dodge up for pretty much that whole minute. If I dodge one 8k hit I just out healed what Battlemaster could have done by a whole ton. Not to mention having more rage from getting some white crits, and more threat from doing more damage.

 

◊ Malan

But you also lost out on the rage from the 8k hit... it's a give and take scenario.

 

Tel

Got my sunblade last night, duel wielding mongoose enchants now It does indeed double proc and the haste and agi stack. With a combat dagger spec (15/41/5) im seeing a HUGE amount of mongoose uptime. Will try and get procwatch working tonight and go check it out more throughly but from my brief testing last night, theres definatly a good degree of synergy between the haste procs/skills/enchants and combat potency. Im particularly looking forward to seeing how it works out with windfury and heroism thrown into the mix too.

 

Arta

Am trying to see how often Spellsurge enchant is proccing (should be the same as Battlemaster I think) but to be sure I want to test it

the only problem I have is that it wont count the heals I do on which it can proc or any other spells.

So my ProcWatch of 1 fight is looking to something like this:
Hits: 0
Procs: 2


Any1 knows a way to let ProcWatch also count the spell hits/heals so I can provide some stats of it ? Or is there another mod already which is doing the same as ProcWatch but then for casters ?

 

Xtee

I just picked up 2 blinkstrikes, and am wondering for a 5vs5 arena, would a warrior be better with battlemaster to compliment healing? or do 1 battlemaster and 1 mongoose or 2x mongoose? I was originally planning on getting battlemasterx2 but after reading some threads I am now unsure

 

Floria

Don't bother with the Battlemaster enchant. Had you read this thread, you'd realize that the proc will seldom occur, and much less often exactly when it could be helpful. Aside from that, the heal over time is not going to save your buddy when the other team's focussing him down in under 3 seconds. Especially with such a paltry HoT value.

Simply put, Battlemaster is a worthless enchant. By the way, do yourself and others a favor, and give/sell those Blinkstrikes to a rogue or 2. In 5v5 arena, you want to be dishing out hefty Mortal Strikes. 2-handed fury just doesn't provide the burst damage needed to bring down opponents in Arena.

 

Xtee

I Did read the thread, but that point aside I was simply wondering if they would become more viable if I was to go a spec with flurry, and swordspec and probably MS for the debuff. Also using the thundering skyfire meta gem, and having a shaman in my pvp group with windfury, all seem to make it much more. I find the point of mongoose to be a little moot, as it does not stack with flurry or so I read, although it stacking with its self is a positive. I just feel that a little more utility could be brought with enough factors to bring up the proc factor of BM.

 

◊ Malan

You can't "bring up" the proc rate. Its a low proc rate, and its not suited for arena use. This is not a DPS enchant, if you want to do arenas I suggest you get Potency, Mongoose or Crusader.

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