I'm considering switching over to WWS, but I'm curious-- how well does the timelining function on it work? Can you log the whole night and pull out specific attempts after parsing? Or do you need to /combatlog, fight, /combatlog, rename/move the file, /combatlog again, fight again, etc?

I believe that bug was fixed months ago. Perhaps someone in your raid/party is still using the old version, contaminating your data.

Hi, I'm currently developing the server version of WWS, that allows to split the combatlog, either manually, or automatically. Here are some examples : hover on the Split menu at the top for automatic splitting or go to the timeline for manual splitting :

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=6nzghpjpwpfxk
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=f4farjfxbphd1
http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report=hob4xxk21em4g

There are also some new features. For example, the "death replay", that allow to view the 30 seconds of the log before a player death with only his actions or damage taken.

http://www.lossendil.com/wws/?report...m4g&a=28&dth=1

I'd kill for an addon that would let me do this ingame. I even tried writing one that would let me pick out specific events and pcs/npcs and display the combatlog for them - that did not end well.

It's very obvious to me that damagemeters all in all are slightly inaccurate. This is based on one single AV game with recap/ damagemeter and SW running all three gave different results and none where the same as the score board of the game.

Closest was SW stats.


But do remember that there is much more to this game than beeing to notch DPS. I firmly belive the pushing to much attention to the Damage meter will end up in ppl pulling aggro and forgetting their shackel/ sheep WE just to be no.1 healer/dpser


To really say who is slacking and who is not you need more to look at what abilities they use and how they react to the dynamics of the game. At least thats how we do it in PVP. Put a warlock in WSG midfield and he will easily win damage done. Try to compare him to a hunter who's guarding in the flag. and only will fight the occasional rogue/ druid who'll get by.

Summary: I value more the ability to act/react than Gear and 1337-DPS

Not necessarily, but in a general sense yes.

Personally I use Recap, having tried SW Stats and DamageMeters. I like Recap's UI by far, and I like how it breaks down damage information with all the little details (averages, crits, % breakdowns by spells, etc).

Well obviously. But at the same time, with smaller raids, people have to pull their weight. You can't drag along a 300 dps rogue anymore, or something like that. Pulling agro or forgetting crowd control are obvious no-goes, and infinitely more visible.

I use Recap for infight things and WoW Web Stats for post-raid analysis. Lossendil's work on the WWS server is absolutely fantastic.

Have to agree with Christmas, absolutely in love with WWS and the new beta server since last week. Great job Lossendil!

I know this is probably too hard if not in many cases impossible, but having a damage meter that actually amortizes utility would be neat. What I mean by that is that if one class provides a damage buff to another class, the damage increase is attributed to the buffing class, not the damage dealing class.

For example some buff gives you 3% extra damage. That 3% should be attributed to the buffer, not the damage dealer.

This way one could see more clearly synergies and effects of group setup and overall raid composition.

I can see that it's hard to give actual utility for percentage chance increases, as it's chance, so one can't just factor out 3% crit increase trivially though doing so would be very good ballpark. Also for some abilities I'm not sure if it's detectable who procced a certain buff (say shadow weaving or expose weakness when multiple shadow priests or surv hunters are present).

Anyway, this would give a clearer picture of class and raid composition contribution to raid DPS than individual DPS as we have it now... seeing both would be very helpful I think.

Well that's pretty much what I'm saying.

I think it'd be very valuable to learn where the DPS levels come from, because as you say it takes two to dance. Current damage meters show only one.

The reason why individualized reattribution would be neat is because you'd learn more about group composition. So shammy X was in group 2 and shammy Y was in group 3. Damage contributions were different and you can look at the group makeup to learn a whole lot from it.

I think about this like I think about recap, an analytical tool to understand the situation better. For a hunter at least cast bars are more important to gauge and improve your DPS performance than a damage meter I found. But I know that damage meters have a pride factor, but that doesn't have much to do with understanding the situation of the fight.