Patience

Can somone help me understand this?

This is a capture of a Void Reaver fight. This is from a friend's guild, we were just looking at it as an example of WoW web stats. One of our tanks noticed that the tables and logs show that no warrior ever landed a successful Sunder Armor but Devistate was being used frequently. This seemed odd. What's even stranger is that when you look at the Void Reaver's stats page, you can see the Sunders stacked on him. What gives?

 

• Maestroquark

Sunder Armor isn't logged in the combat log very well. That's why threat meters hook into Sunder to test for successful applications of it.

What are you waiting for, a certain shade of green?

 

Lex

Anyone still using Nightfall? Our prot warriors seem to like using them, but it's kind of hard to determine if they are worth it.

On our last lurker kill there were 2 people logging, one captured 8 Nightfall procs (the debuff is called Spell Vulnerability), but the other person didn't get any.

Is there some sort of setting that will ignore some things when logging, or does it always capture everything?

 

Marroc

There was a discussion on these forums a little while back, try searching for it.

I think the general agreement was that it wasn't worth the loss in dps of using a 'real' weapon.

 

Lex

Right, but the problem is logging is not capturing the procs.

 

• Chicken

That's been mentioned a few times as well, as it appears, the common method of combat log range extension does not appear to be affecting buff/debuff gained/lost messages, so people too far away will fail to capture such procs.

 

Althir

I have a much less advanced question than where this discussion has gone, but I need to ask it nonetheless:

What is the "Presence" %? Does this suggest time the target spent dead, or the amount of time they're in my log (from a small range, perhaps)? I tried typing the commands for extended the combat log range to 200, but I don't think it worked. I'm going to download a mod to do it for me in the future, but I'm still curious about some of the information WWS gives.

Thanks, and sorry for the amateurism.

 

exarkun

I believe presence is the percent of the logging time in which the character is present and performing actions in your log. If someone dies when Gruul is at 25%, for example, they will have ~75% presence.

 

vyedma

Exarkun is right, but a small nitpick: I believe it's the time of the fight they spent active, not the damage %. For example, if someone dies after 5mins of a 10min fight they will have 50% presence, regarless of what % the boss was at when they died.

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

 

Althir

I'll rephrase:

If my log range is 40 yards, and a person is in my log range for ~50% of the fight, but is not in my log the other time, would WWS report ~50% presence?

 

vyedma

Not 100% sure but I think they would still record 100% presence, but their DPS time will be 50% (assuming they spend all the time they were in range dpsing). Presence only has to do with if they were alive or ded.

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

 

Naraya

I have 2 questions.

1) I'm not using any combat log replacement atm (only using modified config.wtf file with 200 yards range) and I'm getting some strange data. For example presence is between 90-100% and raid dps time is >100%.

You can see it here:

WWS History
http://pollub.boo.pl/wow/wws-20070714-2227/index.html

What am I doing wrong? Or is it working as intended?
I think it would be great if lossendil told us what exactly "presence" means

2) What is "Raid Timeline" anyway? It seems to show random moments from the raid.

Getting LoggerHead for tonight's raid to test it out, btw.

 

Llilyth

Presence is WWS's best guess for the percentage of the report's duration that a particular person was actually present and active for. Presence of less than 100% might be due to a person not physically present for the entire raid, or a person being AFK during parts of the raid. Presence used to be inaccurate because WWS might consider a person AFK decursing or buffing non-stop I think. I'm sure it's been improved since then but it still might not be absolutely accurate.

 

Naraya

Hmm I think I'm going to drop LoggerHead:

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7/15 20:44:53.640 Sideways casts Prayer of Mending.
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Sideways is our tank :S

Edit: Oh sorry, maybe when PoM bounces it counts as the bouncer casts it?

 

jusion

Yes, thats the way it works. I was wondering about that when I saw one of our rogues casting it too. :p

 

Azide

I know you figured out the problem but I thought I'd clarify:

LoggerHead just toggles the combatlog. AddOns can't write out data to files, so there is no way LoggerHead would be tainting your combatlog output.

(Yes, you can dump data to the savedvars luas on a reloadui but thats about it, and reloading your ui is rather inconvenient.)

 

Jarhead

As of last night, there appears to be a new version of Loggerhead: WowAce downloads

 

Thelyna

This was just a TOC/package fix to add libraries that Loggerhead depended on but didn't announce.

In other words, as long as you had another addon that was running Ace2 and Tourist (like, say, Cartographer), Loggerhead would work fine. You could also grab the TouristLib folder from wowace and drop that into your addons, and as long as you had another Ace2 addon, Loggerhead would also work fine.

However, with the older TOC/package, Loggerhead would not have worked on it's own. (I discovered this when I disabled Cartographer and Loggerhead threw an error at me and stopped doing anything - also didn't catch our first Mag kill on WWS because I didn't check the error out before the raid.)

Derail off, please continue.

 

Docjowles

This is why you see your priests shooting PoM at the tanks before a pull. The healing threat is attributed to the target, not the healer, so it gives the tank a small aggro bonus to start off the fight. Well, that and it's free healing on the first hit.

 

Anaea

I figured I'd post this up here, as it's more applicable in the WWS meta-discussion than "The WWS Thread."

My RL and I are just beginning to bring WWS before our guild; we're casual so we're taking this slowly. We're starting with teaching how to read the logs, and to that end I'm working on a compilation of some of the WWS "quirks." All of the post numbers referenced are from the wws thread linked above. I was hoping those of you who are in and out of these parses so much would be able to point out any I've missed.

Player Abilities

• Prayer of Mending, Earth Shield, last Lifebloom tick attributed to receiver. (post #278, #279)
  
• Combat logs don't pick up on buffs and debuffs renewed before they expire; affects Slice and Dice, Shield Block, Curses(?), Unleashed Rage, probably others (post #208&218, post#513, post#625, post#676)
  
• Dark Pact only shows up in individual player's logs. (post #402)*
  
• Flamecap only shows up in individual players' logs. (post #1128)*
  
• Interrupts not parsed in WWS, but picked up in raw combat logs. (our own observation, TY Aran)
  
• Windfury procs are apparent in the combat logs, but there's no direct summary of how much additional damage over straight melee can be attributed to the buff. (post #517)
  
• Water Elementals, DPS Totems, Shadowfiends and other class pets are indistinguishable from each other in the logs and all damage/reward from can be credited to no players, or only to one. (post #1213)

General Notes

• DoTs extend one's combat presence. (post #1009, wws forum post )
  
• Possible issues with the log picking up mob buffs/debuffs - not benefiting from log range increase? Gruul's Growths, Curses(?), etc. (post #959, #978, #981, #1132)

*is there a common element to these two abilities?



Thanks in advance for any additional quirks I can add to the list!


edited to incorporate Malan's comments

 

Malan

Prayer of Mending and Earthshield being attributed to the receiver are not "quirks." That's the intended behavior by blizzard. You cast an effect on a target, he gets a buff from it. The buff is now "his buff" and thus he heals himself.

Not true. Windfury totem will be displayed under the "Buffs and Gains" header and the entry will say "Gained 1 extra attack from Windfury." For shaman it will show up in their "Damage Done" header as a special attack.

Water Elementals/Totems/etc that are not named pets are not attributed to anyone by default in WWS unless you assign to them someone - they aren't attributed to "everyone" at all, as you can only assign one owner to a pet at a time. So you can either assign all totem damage to one shaman, or none. All water elemental damage to one frost mage, or no frost mages.

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Anaea

I should have explained myself better. I'm trying to anticipate the questions my fairly new-to-raiding priests are going to have when they look at their meters. I understand how the combat logs work, and how the spell is intended by Blizzard; I was more trying to compile the things that I imagine my players will be puzzled about and/or that might seem counterintuitive to them on the surface.

I'll correct that note about Windfury then. We don't currently have any raiding shaman, so we haven't seen this behavior ourselves. I was just going off the information in the post I sourced.

Edit: I think this was another miscommunication in my attempt at brevity. The windfury proc is indeed in the logs, but there's no separation of how much additional damage can be attributed to that (apparently) as opposed to just straight white damage.

Edit2: Thanks for the correction on the elementals; I was mixing up the behaviors of WWS and SWS.

 

Malan

Right, you won't be able to see how much actual damage the Windfury did for anyone except the shaman. But what you will be able to see is the number of procs he got - which means you can tell things like: Did a rogue have a poison on his MH? Did a warrior put a sharpening stone on his MH? (both result in 0 WF procs) Did someone have a very low # of procs in the same group as others with a lot more? (someone was out of range) etc etc.

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cladnin

I have a few questions. I've read over the whole thread and kins of saw an answer to one of them, but it wasn't very informative.

1) Loggerhead the best combatlog extender?
2) I have parsed local wws folders, but I did not run the history parser for them. I only have some of the combatlogs from these parses though. Is there any way that I can use the files from the parsed folders to create a history from past dates? I rather prefer the WWS History page than a simplified one that I make myself, so I'd really like to be able to take the already parsed files and add them to the history.

Thanks.

 

Malan

You don't need a mod to extend the combat log - there's no such thing as a "best" in that category of functionality. The exact lines you need to put into your config file are in this thread, simply copy/paste them in and you're done.

The only way that WWS gives to update the history page is when you're parsing a log. If you don't have the log anymore you're screwed.

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