I've been a big fan of WWS for yonks but have been going off it of late - support is, well, not always perfect and making changes is somewhat sleepy too...
Just of late i've been trying out World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis which seems to be making really good progress:

The graph tool is bloody magical, the uploader I have been finding to be a hell of a lot quicker and the on the fly "drag and drop" log editing is superb - random honest opinion
Would be interested to see how people are finding it - yes its only in Beta but it looks like it could be really useful...

For me at least, it took place of recount and any damage meter I was running. Having it literally be updated with in minutes of leaving combat is what sold me on it. I'm interested to see how they expand it, because as you said, it's only in beta. I'm also wondering if you're going to have to subscribe to something to get the service.

Ack, I still need to take the time to update the docs / faq a bit.


Expansion: yep yep, working on more shinies. The todo list is full of idea's, the forums is a wall of text crit exchange full of suggestions.

Beta: while we're still doing daily updates, you can't really call a product stable; but as far as I can see, the numbers are accurate and the past issues with pets were actually because we didn't guess at all and relied on SPELL_SUMMON's only. Downtimes are rare, we did a svn up + binaries upgrade + alter tables in like 5 minutes today ^^

Subscription: Not if we don't have to - if the ads are enough to pay the bills, no thanks; I'm specced techie, not beancounter, hate to deal with the invoicing and stuff.


If there are more questions, feel free to ask them here (I'm watching the thread, delivered daily in my mail) or on our forums.

I'll make a comment: World of Logs is incredible. Far and away the best log parser I've used yet, and I've been through WWS and WMO; I am really impressed.

One question: are you planning to let reports sit on your server without expiring? I do hope so, but I can also see the ramifications of doing such.

Again though, amazing job with what is available so far.

Back to our original WWS. The Ulduar logs are now split into different bosses. (So someone is working on it). However, it doesn't recognise the "death" of Freya and Hodir. Also, the Iron Council isn't parsed properly. If you kill the first one you pull and and then wipe, WWS will see it as a boss kill. For example, you can end up with a parse of multiple Steelbreaker deaths.

I looked around on the site, and couldn't find a link to any forums. I am sure that exists before. I'm guessing the author really doesn't want any feedback from users.

WWS also doesn't parse the Mimiron fight at all. Considers it all to be trash mobs.

World of Logs still misses a lot of options. E.g. I can't see, who did how much damage to a specific mob. I don't need to know how much damage the fireballs of all mages together did.
I have to use WMO alongside, even if the site is horribly slow. I pretty sure, that after a while your site will have more statistics available .

Missing the most Power Word: Shield and DIvine Aegis in healing done section (which WMO provides; BUT WMO is terribly slow as a page and in upload and the design of the page is almost worse than the WWS one

The Full report still includes the trash and there's no option for defeated bosses or all bosses only.

All in all a great tool which already outscored WWS, especially due to WWS updating problems.

That option is already there actually.

Oh, right. I didn't see the tabs at the tops .

On the topic of World of Logs, I think it's a great site but i've been redirected to other websites and it's asked me to download a pdf. Anyone else have that kind of experience?

Just want to throw in my compliments to World of Logs as well. I've been using WWS forever, and WMO more recently - and World of Logs blows them both away.

The graphs especially are amazing. I really like that I can see at a glance how long it took before a druid battle ressed somebody that died, how well our heroisms are lining up with the last 20% of a bosses's health, etc.

I've been running WWS in parallel for awhile as a sanity check, but I don't see much reason to continue with any other parser.

Basically the only advantage WWS has over WoL right now in my opinion is the Log Browser, and I'm sure WoL's will come along a bit more in the future.

That along with log merging, which is probably going to take them a while to implement.

They're working on it currently, AFAIK. For now, if you don't mind a detour, you can run the WMO client and use it to merge your logs, then upload the result to WoL. Most of the logs that the WMO merger produces will import into WoL just fine.

It's a little bit morally questionable, but it works.

Would be nice to have absorbs separated from healing, mainly because absorbs are an estimate not the actual numbers. And yeah, the only reason I can see for wws atm is the better implementation of the event log.

Wow Web Status has lost the majority of its market share as the preferred combat log parser because it hasn't been updated to match the tools provided by other sites, namely World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis . It doesn't look like it's even been updated for Ulduar yet.

I'm calling it.
Time of death: 10:43am.

I just have to say having worked with WWS i find World of Logs so much better.
It does take a bit to find out all the details, but in the end they are there and parsed correcly,
where as WWS didn't always register everything correctly (Ulduar etc)

I'll be using WoL from now on, good job to the guys at WoL

Yes our guild loggers have noticed this too, they're now running both WWS and WoL because of it. It seems to have been going on for quite a while. Unfortunately all our uploaded logs have expired so I can't link to an example but we've had comments in our guild raid discussions forum from September about the lack of healing data.

Hello I was wondering if guilds were still using Stasiscl or Apostasis in the recent months to keep track of there raid logs, or has everyone went to using a hosted version of "WWS" of their preference like WoL, WMO, WWS.

I would prefer to use Apostasis or Stasiscl if either is still functional, but I was looking into maybe having to make use of WoL's XML feeds to create a script that lists my guilds raids.

If anyone does still use Apostasis or Stasiscl I was wondering how accurate these tools still are compared to their hosted equivalents(WoL, WMO, WWS) and whether or not your raiders were happy with the results of these tools.

I was only wondering because I am the webmaster for my guild's website and I was only wondering if it was worth my time to mess with Apostasis or just make a WoL raid listing script. Any advice, help, feedback will be greatly appreciated.

From the updates page, I gather that Statiscl is abandoned, but Apostatis still receives patches when Blizzard changes things, like adding HoT crits.

That said, it still misses some things we've added to WoL, like tracking priest shields and "Nuke the shield" damage @ Twins. The game is full with exceptions and little tricks, it takes some patience and a lot of time to get things perfect. We're no where near that, there's still a looooong list of todos for enhancement requests or minor inaccuracies, but with someone full time messing around with logs, it's easier for us to get there.

Does WWS or WoL provide some kind of API to get the information from parsed logs in machine-oriented format?

I am currently musing over creating a sort of automatic attendance tracker / dkp calculator for my guild, to streamline the dkp awarding process. Writing my own logfile parser would be a bit too much for my capabilities (and willingness ), therefore I'm thinking about use case of something like this:

1. Upload log file to WWS/WoL/something
2. Feed the log link to the custom application
3. Application gathers data from parsed results (either by crawling the HTML or accessing API) about attempted bosses and participating characters
4. Update attendance listings based on the results, award the time/wipe/firstkill-dkp to participants

HTML-crawling would be both more processing and traffic-intensive, so I don't want to concentrate on that at first. Has anyone attempted something like this?