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Old 05/02/07, 11:27 PM   #16
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In my search tonight I have stumbled upon this little guide. WOW forums It is pretty informative.

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Old 05/03/07, 4:11 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by Zee View Post
Hrm I removed the downloads since I thought nobody was using it. Glad to hear someone is, I'd be interested in the changes you've made/are making.
Nothing extensive currently, the only thing I've really done (Apart from the XMLString change) is add Void Crystals to the ignored items and make Karazhan bosses ignored (We roll on loot in Karazhan, but I like uploading the raid anyway, I just save it as one big raid instead of a single event for each boss).

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Old 05/03/07, 7:23 AM   #18
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Do you have a link to this mod? I would like to be able to award extra points for spending night on learning encounters and willingness to wipe a few times. So yea it would be something I would look into.
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I am the developer of EPGP, so I would be glad to hear suggestions (and also bugs and criticism).

If you are trying it out, I suggest you start with the latest beta (it has been alpha for a while and the beta was released today after quite some live testing).

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Old 05/03/07, 8:44 AM   #19
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Originally Posted by Brando View Post
As a person helping to lead a new guild as of TBC I can honestly say this has been the most frustrating part of administration in regards to our guild. Nobody in our guild has any php/html experience and the basic EQDKP just doesn't cut it as it's not even configured for zero-sum. You have to modify it yourself and so far all my attempts have failed. The only other option is to use CTRaidTracker but it's basically a piece of junk in my experience.
It's really a myth that you have to modify vanilla EQDKP. We use it for zero-sum, and it works fine. What I do:

Each type of raid (Karazhan, Gruul, etc.) is a different event.

After each raid, I total up the DKP value of the drops. I then divide by 10 or 25, and assign that value to the raid, so everyone in the raid earns that many points. Then I just add each item that drops to whoever got it, with the appropriate point value, and EQDKP deducts that value from their total.

Done. Yeah, I gotta do it by hand. It takes maybe 10 minutes per raid at the most, and that's if there are a lot of new items that haven't ever been seen before.

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Old 05/03/07, 9:47 AM   #20
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Abbi, which wow mod are you using to export?

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Old 05/03/07, 10:26 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by Brando View Post
Maybe everybody prefers loot council? Though a handful of people arbitrarily determining what is best for everybody else just screams headaches to me.
Loot council really doesn't simplify attendence tracking much. You still need to track attendence, and who gets what items. Items and raids all being worth 0 points saves a bit of time, but that isn't the hard part.

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Old 05/03/07, 10:39 AM   #22
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Originally Posted by boomix View Post
Abbi, which wow mod are you using to export?
I'm not exporting. It turned out not to be worth the effort for me to find something that works, hack EQDKP, and so on.

Me or the raid leader is on the hook for recording loot over the course of the night. I have a dual monitor setup, so I can just open a notepad; if I wanted to I could use a loot tracker. End of the night, we slap the loot list up in a loot thread. (This could probably be skipped.) Then I just enter the loot by hand.

It's really easy to do. I think a lot of people get caught up in the search for a mod-based solution and forget that you can record a loot drop by hand in EQDKP in about 30 seconds.

Note that we also don't have in-game DKP tracking. I made this a responsibility issue -- if you need to know how much DKP you have, or how much DKP something is worth, you go look at the site. I don't want raiders who aren't capable of looking up a simple piece of information on our own site by themselves.

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Old 05/03/07, 10:49 AM   #23
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Originally Posted by Abbi View Post
I'm not exporting. It turned out not to be worth the effort for me to find something that works, hack EQDKP, and so on.
Not tested it myself, but AFAIK you can simply use EQdkp + CT_RaidTracker (plugin for EQdkp and WoW addon).
When you import an XML string there's checkbox called "Add Item value/attendees (Zero DKP)" which will do exactly that (e.g. sum up item values, divide by number of attendees and use that as value for the raid).
You might want to use the newest versions of EQdkp, the plugin to import XML strings and the WoW addon.
It's a matter of seconds to add a raid this way.

Totally unrelated... CT_RaidTracker stores the information about a characters race and such because the EQdkp plugin can automatically create characters that attended a raid but don't exist in the EQdkp database. Why it stores that information more than once is admittedly beyond me

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Old 05/03/07, 12:08 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by Abbi View Post
I'm not exporting. It turned out not to be worth the effort for me to find something that works, hack EQDKP, and so on.

Me or the raid leader is on the hook for recording loot over the course of the night. I have a dual monitor setup, so I can just open a notepad; if I wanted to I could use a loot tracker. End of the night, we slap the loot list up in a loot thread. (This could probably be skipped.) Then I just enter the loot by hand.
Skipping the notepad step, NRT will automatically create a drop down on Fubar that's a series of lines such as

High King Maulgar ( empty spaces here ) [Shoulders of the whatever] ( empty spaces here ) Name That Looted It

every time someone running it sees someone loot an epic. In addition to offering you the option to take attendance (everyone in raid put into a select, copy+paste window that pastes handily into EQDKP, with an option for people to send a tell with their name if they're out of raid to get sit credit) every time an epic is looted.

Really, this is removing a notch of effort on your part, and keeps the copy and paste for everything except the actual item names (which are still recorded and viewable automatically). Doesn't require any eqDKP modding, doesn't import DKP data, just automates the notepad portion of the exercise.

No fancy pants opening up some .LUA or anything after raids. Just click on the box, select the text inside it (attending names), ctrl-c, tab over to your browser window with eqDKP open, ctrl-v into the enter attendees box. Wham, bam.

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Old 05/03/07, 12:13 PM   #25
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OK, I will try to get our web-site admin to install EQDKP again without messing up forums. I will use NRT and I have found DKP mod for e107 so I may be on track to finally setting this up.

Thanks for all replies, keep them coming if you got new suggestions.

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Old 05/03/07, 2:03 PM   #26
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Abbi, I do use a vanilla EQDKP installation currently and I do enter everything in by hand (cut/paste). My point was that while it's useable it's certainly not ideal for what I or my guildmates would like out of our back-end. Just a simple thing as someone going inactive means a ton of work needs to be done to all the raids that person was apart of, ugh....

Again, I also will give a big thumbs up to NRT. Only annoying part is it asks for Attendance when non-bosses die sometimes such as the Arcane Watchmen in Kara and Maulgar's minions. Other than that it works great and I'm sure it's an easy LUA fix for those minor annoyances.

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Old 05/03/07, 3:49 PM   #27
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Originally Posted by Dakous View Post
No fancy pants opening up some .LUA or anything after raids. Just click on the box, select the text inside it (attending names), ctrl-c, tab over to your browser window with eqDKP open, ctrl-v into the enter attendees box. Wham, bam.
Nice. I should and will try that.

Abbi, I do use a vanilla EQDKP installation currently and I do enter everything in by hand (cut/paste). My point was that while it's useable it's certainly not ideal for what I or my guildmates would like out of our back-end. Just a simple thing as someone going inactive means a ton of work needs to be done to all the raids that person was apart of, ugh....
Hm, now I'm worried that I'm missing something else. Why does inactivity now affect... oh, cause you wanna go back and rebalance DKP? I have honestly just not worried about that, although perhaps I should.

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Old 05/03/07, 3:54 PM   #28
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Yeah, it's all about keeping the DKP balanced and not letting it get all bloated from people that are no longer around. I should just be able to flag someone as inactive, have all the raids get rebalanced and yet have the option to re-enable them if/when they come back. I can do that now but it would require a ton of work and a lot of chances for error. Just gets back to there needing to be a simple and configurable back-end for loot system tracking or maybe Blizz will get their act toghether and add this to the armory along with a guild bank. Wishfull thinking I'm sure.

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Old 05/03/07, 6:13 PM   #29
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Originally Posted by Brando View Post
Yeah, it's all about keeping the DKP balanced and not letting it get all bloated from people that are no longer around. I should just be able to flag someone as inactive, have all the raids get rebalanced and yet have the option to re-enable them if/when they come back. I can do that now but it would require a ton of work and a lot of chances for error. Just gets back to there needing to be a simple and configurable back-end for loot system tracking or maybe Blizz will get their act toghether and add this to the armory along with a guild bank. Wishfull thinking I'm sure.
EPGP does this by design and the general principle (and the actual ordering of who gets look and when) is very close to zero sum. The big difference is that the division of DKP happens explicitly and the two values (point awarded for kills and points awarded for gear) are being tracked interdependently. Decaying DKP is natural to the system without complicated taxation schemes required for zero sum just because there is no need to keep a zero sum. The division of the two values keeps a balance by definition at all times. You should really check it out or even try it out in parallel with existing systems and see it for yourself.

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Old 05/03/07, 7:28 PM   #30
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Originally Posted by alkis View Post
EPGP does this by design and the general principle (and the actual ordering of who gets look and when) is very close to zero sum. The big difference is that the division of DKP happens explicitly and the two values (point awarded for kills and points awarded for gear) are being tracked interdependently. Decaying DKP is natural to the system without complicated taxation schemes required for zero sum just because there is no need to keep a zero sum. The division of the two values keeps a balance by definition at all times. You should really check it out or even try it out in parallel with existing systems and see it for yourself.
I really like the EPGP concept for its simplicity and flexibility.

Last I looked however its decay was a steep "cliff". Raids went from 100% to 0% value immediately. Does it still do this? A simple thing I'd like is to have the last say, 25 raids at 100% value, then linear decrease in value from 100% at 25 raids past to 0% at 45 raids past and beyond.

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