Zanthor

Not to quibble, but it's not an incorrect statement.

The OP of the question didn't have Threat-1.0 installed as a mod, he only had OMEN installed which had Threat installed as an embedded library. That means when you disable Omen, all parts of omen (Anything under the omen.toc) would be disabled as well...

 

◊ Shalas

If it's embedded, it's not an addon at all, LoD or otherwise.

 

◊ Shalas

I fail at single posting.

 

Polleke

Just tested it. Procedure:
- Me (DPS specced priest) body pulls mob
- Hunter let pet do 1 auto attack at mob (for 300dmg)
- Pet gets agro and gets damaged to 25% hp
- Pet pulls mob into trap
- Me heals pet

After the trap timed out the mob would go for the pet. The pet hitted for 300hp, I healed for 3500hp. This proves that no healing threat is made to trapped mobs.

As extra test we did the same without trapping the mob and only healing the damaged pet. This made me pull agro. That proves that this experiment is correct.

* Bla

 

dr_AllCOM3

Just one question, do you consider Omen to be as reliable as KTM now?
I still don't trust it fully, but would like to.

 

Caldar

I fail at reading 101 and am corrected

Unlike your typical Ace library, Threat is not LOD, so if you have it installed by itself it needs nothing to enable it or make it run. This allows you to install it and forget about it if you don't need to watch the pretty bars but someone else does.

But as stated, if it is embedded in another mod (Pitbull, Assesment, Omen, et al) then disabling that mod will indeed disable that instance of the library.

 

Zanthor

I spent the last week and change running them side by side, I've been much happier with the performance and accuracy of Omen/Threat VS KTM (the by target threat is VERY addictive!).

I actually notified my guild yesterday that we are done using KTM and will be utilizing threat/Omen now.

 

• Erongg

How close is Omen to being out of beta? I imagine my guild will switch when a release version comes out.

Finite Simple Group of Order Two

 

Brando

We're switching starting today as well. Myself and about 7-10 other guildies have been running it side by side for about a week now and nobody has any qualms about switching now.

The main thing to remember is that any threat mod is just a tool. A very good and useful one at that but still it's just a tool to help get things done, not the be all and end all to raiding. Therefore I'd say it's definately stable enough to serve this purpose.

 

• Relwin

You'll also notice that when trapping in instances you'll slap a distracting/auto/arcane into a mob for generally a little over 2k threat assuming no crits. Your healer then proceeds to deal with the burst damage at the start of that same multimob with some heavy healing. 20 seconds later the mob still runs over to you for your next trap with no additional threat needed and continues to do so until you start breaking the trap.

Makes a fair amount of sense when you actually sit down and think about it.

This bear is cooler than you.

 

Antiarc

I touched on it and it seemed okay to me - I haven't had a chance to test it in a raid yet. I'll try to do so tonight.

Fixed that yesterday

Not currently. That's somewhat useless, though - why would you want to do that?

I have code in there for it, but it's commented out due to lack of the spell name in Babble-Spell. I just need to get it localized up.

The only items I'm trapping right now are the Fetish of the Sand Reaver and The Eye of Diminution. There are a number more, and they're relatively trivial to add, but they do require localized spell names, which is problematic.

Not quite. It's very close, though. You can help the most by running KTM alongside Omen and looking for discrepancies.

 

Kelaserra

Please forgive me if someone else has spoke to this, I haven't read all 21 pages, but didn't see it in the first couple or last few pages...


From what I understand, Omen is not the only addon that accesses Threat 1.0. I believe Assessment and Violation do as well. Has anyone used either? Thoughts on comparison to either Omen or even back to KTM?

 

c0rnflake

Assessment and Violation are more along the lines of DamageMeters or SWStats, but display data in different ways. They both use Threat-1.0 to track threat. One of the major things I've seen in both those addons is the ability to make multiple windows and have them track different things, ie. one windows tracking DPS and one window tracking threat.

 

ghungadihn

Anitarc, very nice work Omen will be the threat meter for all soon. I have been running omen for about 4 days and all in all it is quite nice. The one thing I have noticed problems with is the use of misdirection. First I noticed that my damage was much higher than my pets but yet not pulling aggro, at first I thought that it was due to the fact that my pet was not yet attacking so not targeting anything. I could not narrow down exactly what the conditions are that make it not register the misdirect. Some of the times it does add the additional threat to the pet other times it doesn't. I have not tested Omen with a conventional "tank" so it may be working fine with them, we are planning on using Omen this week in Kara.

 

Antiarc

Hunter->pet misdirection seems to be working for me. However, I've noticed some discrepancies with boars; they seem to be creating threat that isn't accounted for. I haven't tracked down where it's coming from yet.

 

• constantius

Re: traps/fears not gaining threat : happy to be proved wrong. Thanks for taking the time to check it.

 

Mygore

Okay I'm not 100% if this is the case but my hunter friend always claimed boars were effective as tanks compared to other pets. His theory was that when a boar charged and got its extra attack power from the charge it would then taunt for more since the pets taunt was increased by the pets attack power.

Growl : http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27047#M0z (Believe the scale rate is on a comment)
Charge : http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=27685

Now I'm not sure if this is either true (sounds like it should be true)and if it is you are already taking this into account already but just throwing it out there.

Edit: Apparently this was already accounted for so apologies. I'm sure I kept upto date with this thread, guess not.

 

Poly

It seems my previous post got missed...

I was hoping that if you are currently targeting a friendly, we could get Omen to show the threat versus your target's target. Currently it shows threat versus whoever you have targeted which leads to useless info for healers that don't use click casting or mouseover targeting macros to heal. This is basically a request from the healers in my guild who found the info it provided to be useless to them.

 

Roana

I just confirmed that heals do indeed not generate threat while feared. Tested with my warlock, generated threat through the Voidwalker dealing damage, then waited until the Voidwalker was hurt enough so Health Funnel drew aggro. After repeating this with fearing before using Health Funnel, the mob returned to the Voidwalker instead coming to me.

Note: After a fear, the feared mob seems to ignore aggro thresholds and simply goes to the person with the highest threat, regardless of who had aggro before.

 

Erusdruidum

It is true, and was covered a couple pages ago for the specifics.

 

Antiarc

Charge is already taken into account. There is more threat being generated by a level 17, 90-AP, non-scaling boar than it's being accounted for.

 

Nemaa

I have been running Omen in raids for a long time now, with ktm turned off in addons screen and "show ktm data" on. I'm an enhancement shaman and I'm often just before pulling aggro. I didn't encounter any problems so I'd say it's pretty accurate and working quite well! Now I'd like to test Omen with trash packs with different named mobs and "show ktm data" turned off. For this I need to persuade all the tanks to install omen, but almost all would say something like this: "I'm a tank, I'm doing the most aggro I can so I don't want to see the bars". Currently there is no option for them to turn Omen of while in raid. Would you please give us an option for doing that? Or shall I tell them to install only threat 1.0 from here "http://www.wowace.com/files/Threat-1.0/"?

 

Cel

You're right that if you only install Threat-1.0 you will broadcast and have no display. That's what the tank should do if he doesn't want to have a window for threat.

"There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge." - Bertrand Russell

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Antiarc

This is correct. Threat with no GUI doesn't show the bars, only transmits data.

 

songster

Does Threat 1.0 estimate threat for people who don't have any mod installed? I spend quite a bit of time in quasi-pugs, and there's no way I can get them all to install it. Would be kind of nice to know how hard I can push it with $random-tank-I-ended-up-with-this-time. Or is that kind of estimation not really possible?