Omen - Ace Threat Meter - Page 30

Kaoz · 06/18/07, 5:27 PM

Do you want a combat log from Leo or something?

Also is BigWigs required for aggro resets?

I'd think it's pretty simple to make a threat reset module for Leo.
He resets aggro every time his whirlwind ends, and you get a message when it begins. Knowing its duration it's probably easy to do that aggro reset.
He also resets aggro when he gains Demon form and when the said form expires. So unless you can't code time delayed aggro resets it should be pretty straight forward.

Stilfor · 06/18/07, 5:35 PM

I'm pretty sure gaining spell damage adds a very small amount of threat as well, strangely. Nothing worth taking account of but none the less, still there.

There are many times farming where my pet will body agro a mob and I'll pop my Icon and pull agro.

Antiarc · 06/18/07, 6:38 PM

I've got a few logs from Leo - the module just isn't catching something correctly. I've had another guy whose guild actually does the fight write the module, so I'm not intimately familiar with it. I'll definitely take another look, though.

BigWigs isn't a dependency for any part of Threat.

Suesse · 06/18/07, 6:46 PM

Originally Posted by Stilfor

I'm pretty sure gaining spell damage adds a very small amount of threat as well, strangely. Nothing worth taking account of but none the less, still there.

There are many times farming where my pet will body agro a mob and I'll pop my Icon and pull agro.

It may just be *any buff* you apply to yourself (like fel armor) would do the same thing?

Kaoz · 06/18/07, 6:48 PM

Originally Posted by Antiarc

I've got a few logs from Leo - the module just isn't catching something correctly. I've had another guy whose guild actually does the fight write the module, so I'm not intimately familiar with it. I'll definitely take another look, though.

BigWigs isn't a dependency for any part of Threat.

Post something when you do something to the Leo boss module, I'll test it out.

Antiarc · 06/18/07, 7:04 PM

Will do. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Suesse

It may just be *any buff* you apply to yourself (like fel armor) would do the same thing?

Yup. There are exceptions, but yes, buffs can cause some threat. It's usually a very small amount - 1 to 50ish or so.

Neera · 06/18/07, 7:12 PM

In previous versions the bars would grow smoothly. I'm assuming that's what the "Animate Bars" option is for, but a few versions back (38000s, if I were to guess) this option stopped working and is stuck to off (again assuming that's what happened). I've tried deleteing my SavedVariables for Omen and reinstalling it to no avail, turning the option on/off does nothing.

If it helps, I'm currently using revision 40330.

Zamaar · 06/18/07, 7:33 PM

Was running omen in group today for heroic mana tombs, the healers were sometimes visible sometimes not, when doing version check they showed up, and they saw all of our threat and theirs np as well, is there a threshold to see bars? I made sure they healed something in combat and still couldn't see bars.

Antiarc · 06/18/07, 8:03 PM

Neera: I'll check into it. Any more info you can provide would be great.

Zamaar: I've had some issue with displayed heal threat from sources that haven't attacked a target. Threat is properly being recorded and shared, but Omen isn't displaying it correctly at the moment. It's on the todo list.

svagftw · 06/18/07, 8:33 PM

Bloodboil is the encounter that finally made the whole guild switch over to omen. But like myself they're finding it confusing when different classes are different colors on the bars, it worked fine a few versions ago but now it's apparantly broken.

Daize · 06/18/07, 8:40 PM

Originally Posted by svagftw

Bloodboil is the encounter that finally made the whole guild switch over to omen. But like myself they're finding it confusing when different classes are different colors on the bars, it worked fine a few versions ago but now it's apparantly broken.

Why that specifically?

Except the buggs, the ideal, the looks, and the fps, I can't think of anything else to make people use this threat-meter instead

Malan · 06/18/07, 9:01 PM

How about an option to hide Pets.
And yah I have a mage in my raid showing up as a Rogue in the window, I updated at 4pm today.

Edit - Also the Aggro Gain bar is showing as a baby blue color?

Nemaa · 06/18/07, 9:50 PM

I dont know if it's a bug but I'll explain the situation:

On Teron Gorefiend you can transform to a spirit and do serious amount of damage to other adds called Shadowy Construct. This damage counts as threat in ktm and I receive it as global threat from other users who are killing adds with only ktm installed. I filter out a lot of classes to see only the ones who are capable of tanking. This might be the reason that the threat bar of the top people on the list is not scaled to 100% length. Is it possible to have the top bar always scaled to 100% length? Or is this intended?

After a lot of wipes on the boss omen got bugged in a different way. I could not see the KTM data anymore (only those who had omen as well). I tried out to switch "show ktm data" off and on, but it didn't work. After a "/reloadui" command it worked again.

Some minutes later I noticed that something is wrong again. Some peple's threat were fine, and some people's threat were not refreshed, like they were filtered out. I had like 3600% threat of the main tank and didn't pull the mob. An other KTM only user seemed to have fine threat bar related to mine and he said that something is wrong with his KTM. He explained that he has the same problem that I have. I tought this might be a problem with KTM and not omen but I logged out and in to check it. After the login everything was fine again.

I'd like to ask a feature if it's possible. I'd like to filter names as well. I'd like to see the threat of the people who are tanking and not all of our druids are tanking for example.

Edit: Or maybe a reverse filter like a White list. Everyone is filtered except the people whose name I type in.

Cel · 06/18/07, 11:53 PM

Seems like Misdirect isn't giving aggro to the tank it's cast on. Anyone else see this happening?

Zaq · 06/19/07, 12:45 AM

I had a soulshatter which got resisted drop my threat anyway, that was kinda a double bummer.

Elhana · 06/19/07, 3:35 AM

Originally Posted by Nemaa

On Teron Gorefiend you can transform to a spirit and do serious amount of damage to other adds called Shadowy Construct. This damage counts as threat in ktm and I receive it as global threat from other users who are killing adds with only ktm installed. I filter out a lot of classes to see only the ones who are capable of tanking. This might be the reason that the threat bar of the top people on the list is not scaled to 100% length. Is it possible to have the top bar always scaled to 100% length? Or is this intended?

After a lot of wipes on the boss omen got bugged in a different way. I could not see the KTM data anymore (only those who had omen as well). I tried out to switch "show ktm data" off and on, but it didn't work. After a "/reloadui" command it worked again.

Some minutes later I noticed that something is wrong again. Some peple's threat were fine, and some people's threat were not refreshed, like they were filtered out. I had like 3600% threat of the main tank and didn't pull the mob. An other KTM only user seemed to have fine threat bar related to mine and he said that something is wrong with his KTM. He explained that he has the same problem that I have. I tought this might be a problem with KTM and not omen but I logged out and in to check it. After the login everything was fine again.

I'd like to ask a feature if it's possible. I'd like to filter names as well. I'd like to see the threat of the people who are tanking and not all of our druids are tanking for example.

Edit: Or maybe a reverse filter like a White list. Everyone is filtered except the people whose name I type in.

Make sure you got mastertarget set in KTM and it won't count adds.
If KTM is not set, means ppl using it don't care about their threat (since Threat lib doesn't care to report it to KTM users)

If i were in a situation where I have to choose between running buggy addon or not having threat meter at all, I'd chosen 2nd I think - wrong data is worse than no data and it seems Omen/Threat still has a long way to go until it gets reliable raiding tool

• sp00n · 06/19/07, 5:00 AM

For the miscolored bars, a quick solution for me was to choose one of the skins again. After that the bars had the right colors again.

Benita · 06/19/07, 6:58 AM

Originally Posted by Daize

Why that specifically?

Except the buggs, the ideal, the looks, and the fps, I can't think of anything else to make people use this threat-meter instead

It basically checks for a debuff on bloodboil, KTM doesnt, which makes KTM even with master target completely broken for this fight (and so many others).

Suggestion for another bossmod: Supremus resets threat every switch from phase 2 to 1 (im unsure about 1->2 as he has sticky aggro then), you can check bigwigs for the emotes that are triggered on switches.

As for the bugs and such, i just asked my guildmates who run the WAU to install and update the Threat lib, not Omen. Thats a minimum of work and still lets me test alot.

zork · 06/19/07, 10:58 AM

Does Omen track the threat from everyone in the raid on its own or does everyone need to install it? I had some people in my raid not showing up but i had people who do not use any addons show up. Can anyone explain that to me?

• Valoran · 06/19/07, 10:59 AM

They must have the threat-1.0 lib installed. Or KTM.

They're probably running pitbull, or one of the dozen other mods that have this lib built in.

zork · 06/19/07, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Valoran

They must have the threat-1.0 lib installed. Or KTM.

They're probably running pitbull, or one of the dozen other mods that have this lib built in.

Thanks.

shieldb · 06/19/07, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Kaoz

Post something when you do something to the Leo boss module, I'll test it out.

Funkydude made some changes to the leo module last night (for enUS anyways) -- I was hooking an incomplete yell for the demon phase, so it may be working properly now.

Antiarc · 06/19/07, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Cel

Seems like Misdirect isn't giving aggro to the tank it's cast on. Anyone else see this happening?

Both the hunter and tank have to be running Threat for this to work - was this the case?

Originally Posted by Zaq

I had a soulshatter which got resisted drop my threat anyway, that was kinda a double bummer.

Heh, yeah, that's still on the to-do list. I've been neck-deep in pet research data, so I haven't looked at it yet. I'm going to get to it, though!

Antiarc · 06/19/07, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Elhana

If i were in a situation where I have to choose between running buggy addon or not having threat meter at all, I'd chosen 2nd I think - wrong data is worse than no data

I completely agree!

and it seems Omen/Threat still has a long way to go until it gets reliable raiding tool

I don't think it has quite so far to go as you might think.

Trouble · 06/19/07, 1:06 PM

I'm sure there's some situations there Threat needs work but it's generally reliable enough to be used in raids. We switched over, seemed to work flawlessly on Kael'thas.