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Old 07/04/07, 11:17 PM   #1126
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This happens quite frequently and I don't know how to reproduce it, but often times I dismount to tag something with an arcane shot or something and Omen sticks to Omen - GLOBAL and doesn't change to the target I'm attacking. If I change targets to something else, friendly neutral or hostile and change back to the target I originally attacked, I'll get the threat list for what I originally attacked.

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Old 07/05/07, 5:51 AM   #1127
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Originally Posted by Arnath View Post
There seems to be some kind of issue with Threat and multi-mob fights. I'm in Heroic UB and keep getting someone ahead of the tank/aggro bar when they don't have aggro at all and there's only 1 mob with that name in the fight. I'll try to get a screenshot next time it happens.

EDIT: According to Party Revisions, they all have incompatible versions which is probably what's causing this.
This happens to me also, though I'm putting it down to incompatible versions too. Don't forget that if anyone in the raid is using Pitbull (with externals) and don't update regularly then the chance are they are using a very old version of Threat 1.0. On that note, I question the wisdom of including Threat 1.0 in the Pitbull package - it should really be an optional addon/module.

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Old 07/05/07, 6:47 AM   #1128
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Originally Posted by Daboran View Post
This happens to me also, though I'm putting it down to incompatible versions too. Don't forget that if anyone in the raid is using Pitbull (with externals) and don't update regularly then the chance are they are using a very old version of Threat 1.0. On that note, I question the wisdom of including Threat 1.0 in the Pitbull package - it should really be an optional addon/module.
This is not while in a raid, this is while solo hunting on my alt hunter. I have threat loaded just for debug purposes and seeing a general estimate of my pet's threat on mobs.

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Old 07/05/07, 12:58 PM   #1129
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Originally Posted by Hygeia View Post
This happens quite frequently and I don't know how to reproduce it, but often times I dismount to tag something with an arcane shot or something and Omen sticks to Omen - GLOBAL and doesn't change to the target I'm attacking. If I change targets to something else, friendly neutral or hostile and change back to the target I originally attacked, I'll get the threat list for what I originally attacked.
Ah, right. This is likely due to the fact that Omen is off when you're mounted, since you don't have a pet. I'll see what I can do to fix this.

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Old 07/05/07, 2:55 PM   #1130
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Just a heads up, had an issue last night on Prince M, my mage was registering threat through the roof. It _seemed_ to coincide with the proc of my Mystical Skyfire meta, but that's probably just me trying to attribute it to something. Once I would invis, it would work perfectly, but when I began the fight I was registering over 2k TPS with a scorch spam.

I'm sorry I couldn't give more worthwhile information on this one. It always happened around the beginning, phase 1, and invis would set it right and the issue wouldn't happen again after that. It registered raid-wide, so it was apparently reporting my threat at very high levels to everyone else.

Edit: Oh, r42522 of both Omen and the Threat lib.

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Old 07/05/07, 4:34 PM   #1131
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Was your threat level excessively high, or only the TPS?

What would you have estimated your true TPS to be?

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Old 07/05/07, 6:04 PM   #1132
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During Phase 2 of the "Gurtogg Bloodboil" encounter in BT you gain the debuff "Insignifigance". while you have this debuff you produce no threat at all.

i hope this helps to create a bossmodule for this encounter...

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Old 07/05/07, 6:08 PM   #1133
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It's already working Eyana, since more than a month.

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Old 07/05/07, 6:17 PM   #1134
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oink ^^

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Old 07/05/07, 7:54 PM   #1135
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Could we get a list of bosses that aren't supported? I'm sure it wouldn't take long to get the necessary info posted here.

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Old 07/05/07, 7:55 PM   #1136
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Originally Posted by Sycn View Post
Could we get a list of bosses that aren't supported? I'm sure it wouldn't take long to get the necessary info posted here.
you could simply look into the bossmodule file in your threat-1.0 folder couldnt you?

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Old 07/05/07, 8:14 PM   #1137
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Ah thanks. For some reason I was poking around Omen, didn't occur to look in the threat libs.

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Old 07/05/07, 8:30 PM   #1138
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Originally Posted by koaschten View Post
you could simply look into the bossmodule file in your threat-1.0 folder couldnt you?
There are couple of dummy modules in there for encounters not yet implemented, however I believe all of the modules for BC content are actual ones. They're also occasionally buggy, but they're still there.

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Old 07/05/07, 8:31 PM   #1139
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Most of the old-world bosses aren't supported.

I don't know of any unsupported bosses in Outland that need boss modules, but I also don't know the fights in Hyjal and BT.

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Old 07/05/07, 10:57 PM   #1140
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I just noticed in SSC today, that when I hit Invisibility, Omen reduces by my threat by 20% per tick. KTM does nothing unless it goes all the way through last I saw. I'm sold on Omen and will try to get my guild to switch as well.

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Old 07/05/07, 11:26 PM   #1141
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The mod seems to really struggle with hydross at the momment, threat for nature seems to not reset, and threat for frost continues from the last frost phase or some such it seems, it's a bit weird, not quite sure what is happening

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Old 07/06/07, 12:54 AM   #1142
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Originally Posted by Antiarc View Post
I've added handler for Prism of Inner Calm modeled as follows:

On crit, if the attack's element was physical, reduce the threat caused by the attack by 150 before any modifiers. If the element is not physical (ie, it is magical) then the spell's threat is reduced by 1000. This means that rogues will see 106.5 threat reduction on a physical crit with no other modifiers. This is consistent with other threat-modifying abilities. The ability is floored at zero, so a crit for 76 will not end up reducing your overall threat value.

This is applied to the target(s) that the crit happens on.
As Paladin I have my Judgement of command triggering -150 threat modifier instead of the -1000 modifier, even as the attack is using spell hit and is spell damage. Same with SoC procs, where the proc is spell damage but triggers the -150 threat modifier (As it should). Did I misunderstand your post, that it isnt showing correctly in Omen according to your description?

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Old 07/06/07, 1:37 AM   #1143
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It appears that r42872 is not resetting threat on Leotheras at the threat wipes?

I updated to that version and personally didn't see anyone else's threat at all. I then reverted back to r42328 and was able to see the data from the rest of the the raid, but we had to manually reset the meter at every threat wipe because the people who had updated weren't going back to zero.

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Old 07/06/07, 4:37 AM   #1144
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Originally Posted by Viper View Post
It appears that r42872 is not resetting threat on Leotheras at the threat wipes?

I updated to that version and personally didn't see anyone else's threat at all. I then reverted back to r42328 and was able to see the data from the rest of the the raid, but we had to manually reset the meter at every threat wipe because the people who had updated weren't going back to zero.
We did Leotheras yesterday, and I updated Omen just before that, so I think it was the same version (I'm at work right now, so I can't check it).
Threat was reset every time Leotheras entered the demon phase, but wasn't reset when he switched to human phase or after a WW ended.

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Old 07/06/07, 5:10 AM   #1145
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Originally Posted by Aron View Post
As was said above there are some major issues that are still being worked on.

Really all you need to do is get your people to get wowaceupdater and take 5 minutes to update it before the raid. Even while you are all zoned in ready to go take the break. There is also the nice feature that tells you if anyone has a newer version.

If you are using any ace add ons you should probably update them daily anyways, this will just give you incentive. It really is pretty simple.
I have WAU, but I cba running it every day just to get some yet another bugfix
I use it once a week maybe, but I can live without it easy, I got 3 addons using Ace - SCT, SCL, VanaKoS - none of them are required to update daily

If you are willing to beta test bugged addons - it's fine.. this is however doesn't mean all the other people in your guild has nothing else to do
People play a game to have fun

I want to install an addon and forget about it for a few days atleast, preferably a week+
I want it to be tested before it gets uploaded so that I don't have new "undocumented features" every time I log in
I don't want to get in a raid and find out that my version is borked, because someone just broke a protocol with a new change and I can't see anyone on a list now since then I need to spend 5-10 minutes of raid time on updating addons while we should be killing bosses instead

(Therefore I use KTM)

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Old 07/06/07, 5:41 AM   #1146
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I need to spend 5-10 minutes of raid time on updating addons while we should be killing bosses instead
It takes literally 5-10 seconds before every raid for me, so I have no problems updating all the time. But as the author himself has repeatedly said, Omen/Threat is in BETA, so use it at your own risk.

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Old 07/06/07, 5:44 AM   #1147
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Originally Posted by Aoife View Post
I just noticed in SSC today, that when I hit Invisibility, Omen reduces by my threat by 20% per tick. KTM does nothing unless it goes all the way through last I saw. I'm sold on Omen and will try to get my guild to switch as well.
Surely neither of those is correct? Doesn't invisibility tick something like 10%, 10%, 10%, 10%, 60% over the course of 5 seconds, for a total of 100%?

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Old 07/06/07, 6:36 AM   #1148
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Originally Posted by Eyana View Post
During Phase 2 of the "Gurtogg Bloodboil" encounter in BT you gain the debuff "Insignifigance". while you have this debuff you produce no threat at all.

i hope this helps to create a bossmodule for this encounter...
This is in, as mentioned, but this is not in:
One people gets a debuff called "Fel Rage" and he/she is the target of Bloodboil at phase2. The one who has fel rage gains extra damage and healing powers and does not produce threat as well, because after fel rage ends Bloodboil goes for the main tanks even the fel raged person exceeds their threat level.

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Old 07/06/07, 7:02 AM   #1149
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Originally Posted by songster View Post
Surely neither of those is correct? Doesn't invisibility tick something like 10%, 10%, 10%, 10%, 60% over the course of 5 seconds, for a total of 100%?
T(0) = K
T(1) = 0.8*K
T(2) = 0.8*T(1) = 0.64*K
T(3) = 0.8*T(2) = 0.512*K
T(4) = 0.8*T(3) = 0.4096*K
T(5) = 0

That's my understanding for how invisibility works.

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Old 07/06/07, 7:33 AM   #1150
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Does Threat include the Feral Druid 2t6 bonus for 15% more threat from mangle? I've just looked through both KTM and Threat (slow day at work) and KTM definitely doesn't have it as it spells out each and every set bonus that it includes, while all I can find in Threat is a generic string to check for if there are any threat modifiers from set bonuses. Will this work for it?

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