Omen - Ace Threat Meter - Page 53

Marroc · 07/13/07, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Demi9OD

Any chance of being able to drag the Agro gain bar out like you can with a tanks? Would be pretty useful on fights with tank transitions or when one of our Ferals is tanking something so I can't have to keep my eyes on peeled on the meter. Also, player and agro gain being the same color is a bit distracting, but I supposed that can probably be modified (not home to check).

Last I heard it was intended as a feature, but Antiarc was having issues getting it to work correctly. Not sure if he scraped it or not, but I'm sure sooner or later he'll respond and tell us :P

Ohi · 07/13/07, 1:59 PM

Originally Posted by Demi9OD

Any chance of being able to drag the Agro gain bar out like you can with a tanks? Would be pretty useful on fights with tank transitions or when one of our Ferals is tanking something so I can't have to keep my eyes on peeled on the meter. Also, player and agro gain being the same color is a bit distracting, but I supposed that can probably be modified (not home to check).

On WoW's R & D forums, there's a long thread about Omen, in which the author is replying to most questions and feature requests.

WoW Forums -> The NEW Threat-Meter

I remember reading that you can change the color of any bar in Omen under the options.

Marroc · 07/13/07, 2:43 PM

Originally Posted by Ohi

On WoW's R & D forums, there's a long thread about Omen, in which the author is replying to most questions and feature requests.

WoW Forums -> The NEW Threat-Meter

I remember reading that you can change the color of any bar in Omen under the options.

He also responds here :P

Llilyth · 07/14/07, 12:41 AM

I've noticed a few times on Vashj where my taunt is resisted but my threat jumps to the top in Omen. Can anyone confirm?

yoshi · 07/14/07, 2:05 AM

I just installed it today, as it sounds like it's less buggy now. It works like a charm! Love it!

Antiarc · 07/14/07, 3:54 PM

Originally Posted by sp00n

To the TPS issue, yesterday on nightbane I had negative DPS.

At the start of the fight where I had 0 damage done:
http://sp00n.pytalhost.com/misc/omen_bug_tps1.jpg

During the fight, when I feinted:
http://sp00n.pytalhost.com/misc/omen_bug_tps2.jpg

And another issue with the pullout bar, after the adds were down and Nightbane was about to land:
http://sp00n.pytalhost.com/misc/omen_bug_bar.jpg

I was the only one running a recent Omen/Threat version, and only one person, Eferra, was also running Omen, although with quite an outdated one (which didn't clear threat when Nightbane landed *sometimes*).

The TPS number on that bar is TPS relative to your tank - at the start of the fight, you were doing 0 TPS, the tank was doing 324 TPS, so you saw -324 TPS. Same issue with the Feint. The third screen is due to the threat clear, which makes numbers all screwy briefly. I'll be fixing that one soon

Originally Posted by Gorce

Hello, one of the tanks in my guild is having a problem dropping off the list still. We are on a US server and no one is running a EU client or anything like that. I have read through 50+ pages and the problem has been mentioned but the resolution has not. I haven't figure out how to reproduce the event yet, but I have noticed it on our Magtheridon, Hydross and while we were testing the meter in Blasted lands. Its simply as stated 10 pages ago, he generates roughly 30k threat then it just stops and he'll get 5k added here or there but not enough to even stay on the list. On his end he is reading normally, he's at the top and tanking happy as a clam and can tell us when we are closing in on him.

Now, he has updated to the newest version at least 6 times while we've been trying to figure this out. When he and I went back to blasted lands to try to reproduce it the mod worked perfect. No matter what we tried the two of us couldn't make it happen. So I am stumped. Please any help. about 70% of the raid is using Omen now and he is the only one with any issue. But being a main tank its a big issue atm.

I'm absolutely boggled, to be honest. I don't know what on earth it could be, but if the issue is still around, I'll dig into it. Any information you can provide (ie, if it happening coincides with any specific event, or whatever) would be most appreciated.

Originally Posted by Demi9OD

Any chance of being able to drag the Agro gain bar out like you can with a tanks? Would be pretty useful on fights with tank transitions or when one of our Ferals is tanking something so I can't have to keep my eyes on peeled on the meter. Also, player and agro gain being the same color is a bit distracting, but I supposed that can probably be modified (not home to check).

You should already be able to do this.

Originally Posted by Llilyth

I've noticed a few times on Vashj where my taunt is resisted by my threat jumps to the top in Omen. Can anyone confirm?

Taunt's seemed to work fine on my end; can you reproduce the problem on any mob, or only Vashj?

Llilyth · 07/14/07, 4:03 PM

Originally Posted by Antiarc

Taunt's seemed to work fine on my end; can you reproduce the problem on any mob, or only Vashj?

I swear I've noticed it multiple times on Vashj, over a period of a few weeks. I haven't noticed it on other mobs, but it could be just my not paying attention.

To elaborate, I was the second tank on Vashj, just whacking away at her in phase1, so I have hardly any threat. MT gets stunned/rooted so I run over to Vashj to taunt. Oops, resisted. No biggie MT got out of stun/roots. Look down at Omen: hey! My threat is about the same as the MT's.

Antiarc · 07/14/07, 4:24 PM

Hrm, okay. I'll see if I can set up a test to replicate that sort of scenario. Thanks.

Marroc · 07/14/07, 7:56 PM

Originally Posted by Llilyth

I swear I've noticed it multiple times on Vashj, over a period of a few weeks. I haven't noticed it on other mobs, but it could be just my not paying attention.

To elaborate, I was the second tank on Vashj, just whacking away at her in phase1, so I have hardly any threat. MT gets stunned/rooted so I run over to Vashj to taunt. Oops, resisted. No biggie MT got out of stun/roots. Look down at Omen: hey! My threat is about the same as the MT's.

sounds like omen isn't taking into account taunt resists...

Emy · 07/16/07, 6:36 AM

I've skimmed through this topic looking for a solution for my problem, but I can't seem to find it.

The problem I have is the following, I can't see myself showing up on the Omen meter. I've updated to the latest versions;
Omen - 43560
Threat - 43693

I included a SS so you can see what's going on...
Anyone has a suggestion?

Cannings · 07/16/07, 7:06 AM

Originally Posted by Emy

I've skimmed through this topic looking for a solution for my problem, but I can't seem to find it.

The problem I have is the following, I can't see myself showing up on the Omen meter. I've updated to the latest versions;
Omen - 43560
Threat - 43693

I included a SS so you can see what's going on...
Anyone has a suggestion?

I would imagine you don't have the option to always show yourself on and your omen is only set to 3/4 bars so on your SS you would be below the rogue

Emy · 07/16/07, 8:03 AM

Option to always show self is on, and as far as I know i can't configure the ammount of bars.. :]
Maybe I should search for that option, but even when I overagro it doesn't show me.

Aonghus · 07/16/07, 9:36 AM

Would it be possible to give some options of what information to show in the pullout threat bar? I typically have the MT pulled, but the threat% number isn't all that valuable for me; total threat value would actually be better.

The reason I ask... early in encounters I tend to have very high threat compared to the MT and flirt a bit with the Aggro Gain line. At 20-30k total threat I pop invisibility and from that point on I have no problem spamming without pulling aggro. It's just during the early part of the encounter that I'd love to have total threat on the pullout bar so I can quickly determine the risk of letting off a combusted fireball.

(If I've just missed the option somewhere, someone please fill me in.)

Thank you for the excellent addon and for your commitment to continued improvement!

Wara · 07/16/07, 1:54 PM

Originally Posted by Emy

Option to always show self is on, and as far as I know i can't configure the ammount of bars.. :]
Maybe I should search for that option, but even when I overagro it doesn't show me.

I had this problem when I was getting some Threat errors from Recount a few days ago. If you do not have LUA errors shown, some other addon may be breaking Threat.

Antiarc · 07/16/07, 3:22 PM

There was a problem with multiple concurrent versions of Threat breaking each other; I think it's been resolved, but update all your wowace mods to their latest versions to be positive.

I've just gotten back from a lovely weekend away with my wife, so it'll take me a bit to catch up on everything.

Glaurong · 07/16/07, 5:42 PM

As for TPS calculations I would suggest talking to Cyrect about what he uses for Recount DPS. Granted he stores a whole crapload of information but if you added TPS to the information Threat shares you would only have to store information for yourself. Whatever algorithm he uses it produces nice smooth graphs.

Llilyth · 07/16/07, 9:32 PM

Originally Posted by Llilyth

I swear I've noticed it multiple times on Vashj, over a period of a few weeks. I haven't noticed it on other mobs, but it could be just my not paying attention.

To elaborate, I was the second tank on Vashj, just whacking away at her in phase1, so I have hardly any threat. MT gets stunned/rooted so I run over to Vashj to taunt. Oops, resisted. No biggie MT got out of stun/roots. Look down at Omen: hey! My threat is about the same as the MT's.

Moments ago, our resident mage puller pyroblasted a sheeped mob, I taunted but was resisted. My threat did NOT jump up on Omen like I reported above with Vashj.

Is there something strange in the Vashj encounter that screws with things? I noticed the taunt anomoly in Vashj phase1, when there's only 1 mob up.

Antiarc · 07/17/07, 12:32 AM

I do have one idea about what it may be - let me check into it. Thank you so much for the information.

To clarify: Was this after at least one of the mobs that resisted you had died (that is, kill a strider, new strider spawns and resists taunt)?

Llilyth · 07/17/07, 2:51 AM

Originally Posted by Antiarc

To clarify: Was this after at least one of the mobs that resisted you had died (that is, kill a strider, new strider spawns and resists taunt)?

Nope. Phase1 Vashj has no adds, just Vashj alone against the raid. I have hardly any threat. I taunt and get resisted. Suddenly Omen shows I am at the top of the threat list.

Varag · 07/17/07, 9:11 PM

Would love to see a toggle option to filter everyone but "set" main tanks.

Llilyth · 07/18/07, 4:47 AM

Re: resisted taunt giving threat bug

I encountered this bug again today. On Al'ar at one point, I taunted, taunt was resisted, and yet my threat jumped up to the top.

So to recap: On Vashj and Al'ar, resisted taunts on the boss still bumped me to the top of the thread list. On a trash mob (it happened to be the last few trash packs before Kael'thas), a resisted taunt did NOT give me any threat.

Unaz · 07/18/07, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Yuma

Would love to see a toggle option to filter everyone but "set" main tanks.

Yeah, right now (mainly due to fights like Gruul), I have every class filtered except melee (warrior/druid/rogue/shaman in my case). It makes the bars a lot more readable when watching my relative threat across multiple tanks.

I had some wierd issues with last night's build where the aggro gain bar was sticking on secondary targets for a while before finally realizing who the actual tank was.

Antiarc · 07/18/07, 1:18 PM

Llilyth, this is a shot in the dark, but what's your average latency during raids?

(I managed to not account for latency when checking some things that needed to consider latency. I've committed a fix for this.)

Llilyth · 07/18/07, 2:35 PM

Originally Posted by Antiarc

Llilyth, this is a shot in the dark, but what's your average latency during raids?

(I managed to not account for latency when checking some things that needed to consider latency. I've committed a fix for this.)

I'd say my latency usually hovers around 150-250.

Antiarc · 07/18/07, 3:10 PM

Hrm. That should be more than fine to not run into timing problems. Regardless, let's see if the change I made fixes it (and soulshatter resist problems, too). I'll continue to keep an eye out for other potential problems in that area, though.