Marroc

Happen to have the shaman's spec? Probably won't help Antiarc too much, but the more info on stuff like this the better.

 

Antiarc

Hrm. That sounds like the mage bug, actually. I may not have it fixed then. I'll check into it. Thanks!

 

Base

Thank you. If you need more data or testing on this bug let me know

 

Antiarc

I need info on the Bloodboil encounter. Since things like mana gains are normally exempted from threat multipliers, they still show threat accumulations while the player is under the influence of Insignifigance. I've also heard, however, that shadow priests seem to generate inordiate threat on this fight, which would indicate that mana gains are not modified by the 0 multiplier. Can anyone comment on this?

 

Nemaa

I made a transcriptor log of supremus and tried to place marks before and after the aggroreset event, what is "Supremus punches the ground in anger!". Whenever he emotes this it is a complete aggro reset for everyone. There is a test logging before the real fight.

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Nemaa

About Bloodboil: all I know is that our shadowpriests have problems like you described so it is possible to make threat even with insignificance debuff on. Also I think it is possible to resist insignificance, but I didn't encounter that. Maybe the shadowpriests were just unlucky and didn't take care (do they have a talent for resisting aoe spells? One of our tank druids resisted insignificance once because of the talent). An other note: I never saw that someone gained aggro over the one who had fel rage, it's always happening after the fel rage ends.

 

Crazytrucker

We always have shadow priests pull and they put out very little dps until insignificance. There is something with it.

 

Varag

Threat for Morogrim also appears to be a bit off.

Noticing inconsistencies with the reported threat ceiling between it and KTM, KTM seems a bit more accurate, but its hard to tell what precisely is causing the difference in totals.

Edit: Hmm, just asked our Hunter, and she uses Misdirect to start the fight, and does not run Omen. Maybe its a reporting thing from KTM?

 

Antiarc

Both the hunter and MD target need to be running Omen for threat to register properly, I'm afraid.

 

Jameseh

Just a very small visual feature request:

Is there chance you could make it so we have the option to make the bars expand from right to left? I'm a fan of symmetry so I'd like to have my damage meter on one side with bars going left to right, and omen on the other with bars expanding in the opposite direction.

 

Zerazar

Firstly I'm glad you made this addon. Currently I'm running both KTM and Omen - always been a fan of overkill. However, I tend to prefer to look at KTM, partly because I know it's worth from earlier usage, but mostly because I simply can't read and get a quick overlook at Omen. I find it hard to read the font. Now I don't know if I'm the only one, but I'd certainly appreciate a neater looking font. I don't know exactly what makes it hard to read, so wont throw random gibberish around xD I'd guess some black outline would help though.

Please kill me if there already is an option, simply couldn't find it.

Also another request, on the pull-out bars, would it be possible to see your the threat between your threat and the one who has aggro? I love those bars, and in many cases it's not needed, but when I'm close to the tank I need numbers to be sure how much I can press it.

 

Jameseh

You can already fully customize the font.

Display -> Skin Settings -> Bars -> Font

 

Thezilch

I play a shadowpriest on this fight, and our raid is using a modified KTM / internal mod to handle boss abilities, because they are rarely implemented when first facing these bosses. I've never experienced erroneous threat generation from how KTM has always handled shadowpriest damage and vampirics (like healing threat). I consistently ride close to our OT's threat (inside 5k). I've yet to pull aggro over the OT, from an MT stun.

Insignificance can absolutely be resisted. Fel Rage is a fixate, no threat, debuff.

 

• Daboran

Was there a bad update of Omen/Threat last night? We had a quite a few issues at Alar and Void Reaver last night - one MT (using KTM only) disappearing off the threat list completely, Omen not resetting properly occasionally. I had a quite a few of the people trying out Omen reporting threat "all over the place".

 

Antiarc

No, there haven't been any Threat commits in the past few days, that I'm aware of. Can you provide any more information on the issues?

 

• Daboran

From recollection, on one of our Alar tries one Warrior started the fight with about 1800tps and a insane load of threat - his threat bar on Omen was full length with the whole raid only just managing to register on the meter. It was immediately on the pull and the MT was on Alar with the Warrior hitting him for the Thunderfury debuff.

I'lll check it out properly on our next raid for sure. This is the first time on Alar for us, so I didn't really have time for screenshots.

Obviously Alar phase 1 will be dicey as the ranged dps go mental and the tanks are always way down on threat. It may be that Threat is not picking up taunts in phase 2 and putting the tank to the top of the list?

This isn't the first time our MT (who only uses KTM at present) has dropped completely off the threat list but we are making installation of the Threat 1.0 library compulsory for our raid this week, so hopefully this might cure any odd behaviour.

 

kudret

I've found that sometimes my omen will turn itself to standby mode, I'm not sure what triggers this (probably its user error), but it causes my omen to display some crazy threat levels. ie. being at 400% of the aggro holders threat and still not pulling aggro.

Doing a simple /omen standby to make sure its set to [active] seems to fix this up.

ps. my omen is a few weeks old at this point, I'm in the process of updating it now though, so that might be the cause.

 

Malan

Similiar to Daboran, last night on Magtheridon the MT was using Threat and Omen showed me at 99% of his threat level when I yanked aggro and died.

Shitting up every single thread on EJ since '06

 

Nemaa

Same happened to me like 2 months before, Magtheridon turned around and killed me at 99% threat of the MT. Magtheridon had about 10% hp left only. Is it possible that damaging him in banish generates lots of additional threat?

 

• Daboran

Well, it wasn't quite like that:

- Our TF Warrior had insane displayed threat in Omen, but was quite happily meleeing Alar without any aggro.
- On a couple of occasions the MT didn't appear on the threat list at all despite having aggro. On one occasion, he reappeared halfway through the fight in (I assume) the correct place - there's a possibility that he taunted and Omen picked it up and placed him back at the top of the list.

As I said, we're having everyone install Threat 1.0 this week and will be disabling KTM data, this may of course clear up these anomalies so I don't want to cry wolf just yet.

 

Malan

Similar in the sense of "weird stuff observed."

Shitting up every single thread on EJ since '06

 

Garm

I also had some strangeness in Gruul's Lair last night.

The hurtful strike tank (druid) showed as having far more threat than me on multiple attempts, despite the fact that I still had aggro.

A few others were also showing more threat than me and not pulling aggro.

At times my TPS number was showing wierd values like "-400".

 

kronchev

Holy shit thanks for this

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Arnath

I've been having this issue recently where Omen will show when it's not supposed to and not show when it is. I have "Active while Solo" and "Active with Pet" unchecked so it should only show when I'm grouped. However, last night it was up all the time while I was just soloing with my pet. Also, the other day, it didn't show while I was in Kara until I hit toggle. Is this just some sort of issue with the toggle feature saving?

 

Crepusculu

From my 8-03 raid on Bloodboil, the threat meter looks to be fairly accurate. There was this one instance where I was riding under the threat line of the second tank. Come phase 2, I pop my trinket and dotted/blast (no ve) as fast as the GCD would let me. Right as phase 2 ended, Bloodboil arrowed down straight towards me. Without a doubt, the mana-healing is causing threat. The r45044 omen version was appropriately adding some small threat during the debuff phase, so I suppose it is already tuned correctly.

Out of the 11 attempts we took last night, the combatlogs showed a single resist to Insignifigance by our druid tank, which he commented on.

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