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Old 08/04/07, 5:42 AM   #1551
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Excellent. I'll assume that Omen is working as intended in that fight then.

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Old 08/05/07, 12:17 AM   #1552
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Both the hunter and MD target need to be running Omen for threat to register properly, I'm afraid.
Just checked with the Hunter, and apparently she is running Omen after all, updated frequently via WoWAceUpdater. I'll see if I can snap some shots of relative threat (KTM vs. Omen) on Morogrim the next time we do the fight.

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Old 08/05/07, 12:33 AM   #1553
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Great, thank you.

Also, was the Master Target in KTM set to Morogrim?

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Old 08/05/07, 8:53 AM   #1554
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I think Vashj resets aggro when phase 3 starts but Threat keeps the data from the end of phase 1. Can anyone confirm the reset at phase 3?

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Old 08/05/07, 9:00 AM   #1555
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I think Vashj resets aggro when phase 3 starts but Threat keeps the data from the end of phase 1. Can anyone confirm the reset at phase 3?
Yes I think she resets.
Oneshotted one our healers at the beginning of phase 3 once as I was slacking around :/.

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Old 08/05/07, 6:00 PM   #1556
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Hum troubles on Kael Thas :

[2007/08/05 22:57:42-1319-x1]: ...s\Threat-1.0\Threat-1.0\ThreatMobNameTranslation.lua:149: Conflicting translation for Infinity Blades in frFR: old is "Lames d'infinité", new is "Tranchoir dimensionnel". Please report to Antiarc.:

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[2007/08/05 22:57:45-1319-x1]: ...s\Threat-1.0\Threat-1.0\ThreatMobNameTranslation.lua:149: Conflicting translation for Staff of Disintegration in frFR: old is "Bâton de désintégration", new is "Rempart de déphasage". Please report to Antiarc.:

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It seems to bug with people on frFR locale (which i'm not using, i'm on enGB), and the Rempart de déphasage is Phasing Bulwark, dunno why it thinks it's the staff.

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Old 08/06/07, 2:19 AM   #1557
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Vonwen, that likely means that someone in your raid is running an old version.

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Old 08/06/07, 10:59 AM   #1558
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We had a tank not show up on VR last night. How and why it happened I have now clue. Wasn't a knock back (he was the second tank and vanished about 30 seconds in) and it was happening on gruul later that night (he'd be there for a few minutes then just go poof).

I'd almost say he was dropping off normally, but if that were the case then I would have eaten a few hateful strikes, and I didn't, so clearly his threat wasn't dropped.

If it happens again in SSC tonight, I'll let you know. Until then I'm just calling it a fluke.

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Old 08/06/07, 11:04 AM   #1559
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Something was wrong with my threat on Essence of Desire last night. My own Omen was showing me constantly at 1k and more TPS with Salvation on, but other people saw me much lower on both KTM and Omen. Is Omen counting the damage that I deal to myself or something? Version was from last night and all people had the same threat library.

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Old 08/06/07, 11:20 AM   #1560
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Again, I'm loving omen, but some oddities popped up last night. I recently respecced to Felguard/Destruction (Warlock), and noticed some threat weirdness.

We finished off pretty much all of Karazhan, and figured, why not go kill Attumen. During phase 1, I had my felguard on his horse (nightmare? I forget the name). However, I forgot to turn off his taunt (Anguish, I believe it's called). I was surprised when I saw that his threat was approaching our druid tank's threat, about 30 seconds in! I'm not sure if it was over reported, or not, but another oddity occured after that. The phase 1->2 transition is a threat wipe (as I understand it), but when I put my pet onto the now mounted Attumen, he still had ~17k threat, and this was with his taunt turned off.

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Old 08/06/07, 12:44 PM   #1561
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Marroc, do you have that tank's revision number?

Miaxi, it shouldn't count self damage as threat, so something weird there. Were your threat (ie not TPS) numbers abnormally high?

Fireye, I think there's a standing issue with pet threat not clearing properly sometimes. I'll check it out.

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Old 08/06/07, 2:41 PM   #1562
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Originally Posted by Antiarc View Post
Marroc, do you have that tank's revision number?

Miaxi, it shouldn't count self damage as threat, so something weird there. Were your threat (ie not TPS) numbers abnormally high?

Fireye, I think there's a standing issue with pet threat not clearing properly sometimes. I'll check it out.
At work, but I'll get it for you when I get home.

He's pretty good about updating it, so he either had the latest (as of last night), or one revision behind that.

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Old 08/06/07, 2:46 PM   #1563
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Originally Posted by Marroc View Post
We had a tank not show up on VR last night. How and why it happened I have now clue. Wasn't a knock back (he was the second tank and vanished about 30 seconds in) and it was happening on gruul later that night (he'd be there for a few minutes then just go poof).

I'd almost say he was dropping off normally, but if that were the case then I would have eaten a few hateful strikes, and I didn't, so clearly his threat wasn't dropped.

If it happens again in SSC tonight, I'll let you know. Until then I'm just calling it a fluke.
We may have had the same thing happen during our loot reaver kill, (yesterday with omen updated approx 6:30pm est 8/5). I was going to report that the tanks were so far below the dps on omen that they "fell off" the list. Now I wish I had something more than anecdotal evidence to post, or expanded omen to actually show more than the top 5 to see what the nature of the problem was. For what its worth the warriors/bear were showing normally during the first minute or so at least.

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Old 08/06/07, 3:02 PM   #1564
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Originally Posted by Cloak-SH View Post
We may have had the same thing happen during our loot reaver kill, (yesterday with omen updated approx 6:30pm est 8/5). I was going to report that the tanks were so far below the dps on omen that they "fell off" the list. Now I wish I had something more than anecdotal evidence to post, or expanded omen to actually show more than the top 5 to see what the nature of the problem was. For what its worth the warriors/bear were showing normally during the first minute or so at least.
That's EXACTLY what happened.

The only tank on the list was the one with agro, all of the others were just not listed until VR spun to them. Had me spamming feint for the first 3 minutes of the fight thinking I was in danger of breaking into the top 4 on the threat list >_<

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Old 08/06/07, 3:45 PM   #1565
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Hrm. I might have a delayed clear event sticking around or something.

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Old 08/06/07, 4:32 PM   #1566
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Marroc, do you have that tank's revision number?

Miaxi, it shouldn't count self damage as threat, so something weird there. Were your threat (ie not TPS) numbers abnormally high?

Fireye, I think there's a standing issue with pet threat not clearing properly sometimes. I'll check it out.
Yes, I kept going over a bear tank who was spamming threat.

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Old 08/06/07, 10:55 PM   #1567
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Our last two fights we have had issues with our Tank going to 0 TPS then slowly falling off the Omen list. First was on Prince in Kara, tonight it was on Hydross. It only seems to happen to one tank, and he is running the most current version available (we had him update.)

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Old 08/07/07, 12:09 AM   #1568
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Not sure what to make of this. Note the "mark at 25%" which means Cador has been on him for at least a good 10 seconds, so it's not a 'he just got agro' issue. Something is most certainly up with people falling of the meter.

edit: The only thing I can think of is that there is something up with threat clears as a whole (both VR and Hydross have them, so it may be a good place to start looking).
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Old 08/07/07, 6:11 AM   #1569
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Currently in the process of converting my guild to Omen, I'm struggling with most of them, their argument being "what's the point?"

Any ideas about what arguments I should use in my crusade to get them to ditch KTM?

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Old 08/07/07, 6:27 AM   #1570
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The point is "no more master target" and individual threat for unique named mobs

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Old 08/07/07, 8:13 AM   #1571
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Yep. We converted to Omen 10 days ago when starting to do Kael. Its much easier that way. Also you might mention that switching to Omen will help with some fps issues, at least it did for me and several other members in our raid.

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Old 08/07/07, 12:09 PM   #1572
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Maintank finally decided to stop running KTM and Omen at the same time so now Omen is the only option for our guild. =)

Keep up the good work.

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Old 08/07/07, 1:35 PM   #1573
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Originally Posted by Jameseh View Post
Currently in the process of converting my guild to Omen, I'm struggling with most of them, their argument being "what's the point?"

Any ideas about what arguments I should use in my crusade to get them to ditch KTM?
It's also a little bit more efficient than KTM if you're using the threat data in multiple places (ie omen and pitbull). The library nature of Threat means that if people don't want the meter they don't have to even load the code for it, they simply can just run ThreatLib by itself.

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Old 08/07/07, 3:32 PM   #1574
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Originally Posted by Osse View Post
Maintank finally decided to stop running KTM and Omen at the same time so now Omen is the only option for our guild. =)

Keep up the good work.
Omen can report to KTM.

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Old 08/07/07, 4:41 PM   #1575
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Originally Posted by koaschten View Post
The point is "no more master target" and individual threat for unique named mobs
Yeah, once I mentioned this to our MT he more or less instantly logged out to download Omen. Your average user won't care about lower memory usage or Ace or what have you, but almost anyone should appreciate the sheer awesome of per-target threat tracking.

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