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08/27/07, 11:08 AM

#1676

Idris

Glass Joe

Night Elf Rogue

Kul Tiras (EU)

Originally Posted by Marroc

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Two weeks is like 10-15 revisions apart... Do keep in mind that Omen is still beta quality, and as such it updates OFTEN, sometimes multiple times per day.

I know it does, but as such it's not really realistic to expect everyone to have the exact same revision. By the sounds of it, the difference in threat between my version and his was quite big. Also it confuses me because as I understand it my threat-1.0 is sending out my threat information to the other clients and vice versa, so the amount of threat shown on target for a specific player should not vary between clients?

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08/27/07, 12:00 PM

#1677

Evel

Glass Joe

Evel

Undead Warrior

<Titans Exodus>

Elune

Originally Posted by Idris

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I know it does, but as such it's not really realistic to expect everyone to have the exact same revision. By the sounds of it, the difference in threat between my version and his was quite big. Also it confuses me because as I understand it my threat-1.0 is sending out my threat information to the other clients and vice versa, so the amount of threat shown on target for a specific player should not vary between clients?

I posted something similar on page 67 that never got a response to on Magtheridon. While some guildies had different versions, they were not that far off.

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08/27/07, 1:02 PM	#1678
harmer Glass Joe maxximmus Orc Warrior Undermine	We have had multiple problems with Telonicus the Engineer during the Kael'Thas fight recently with Omen. People that aren't near the tank in threat have pulled aggro, and in phase 3 his aggro has seemed to just reset itself according to Omen, and everyones values get reset or exaggerated to a point of not knowing what's really going on. Not sure what's causing this, but at a point where dps needs to be going full tilt this is a major issue. Edit: The aggro resets are independant of any debuff. Last edited by harmer : 08/27/07 at 1:12 PM.
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08/27/07, 1:57 PM

#1679

chase

Piston Honda

Dwarf Priest

Malygos

Originally Posted by Idris

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I know it does, but as such it's not really realistic to expect everyone to have the exact same revision. By the sounds of it, the difference in threat between my version and his was quite big. Also it confuses me because as I understand it my threat-1.0 is sending out my threat information to the other clients and vice versa, so the amount of threat shown on target for a specific player should not vary between clients?

Imagine for second you are Antirac; how could you possibly resolve this problem? Is it a fundamental problem with how rogue threat is handled? (Probably not as we would have seen more rogues speaking up) Is it a problem of different clients in different regions not translating properly? Was there a bug in somebodies revision that may have caused it?

If I was working on the software, this information doesn't help a bit. I mean you don't even have revision numbers of the people "involved" in the problem.

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I know it does, but as such it's not really realistic to expect everyone to have the exact same revision.

Yes it is realistic to expect everyone to have the same version when running a beta quality mod.

If you can't expect everyone to have the latest version (ace updater) than you should probably use KTM until Omen/Threat goes stable.

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08/27/07, 4:08 PM

#1680

Marroc

Now you're thinking with portals!

Undead Rogue

Twisting Nether

Originally Posted by Idris

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I know it does, but as such it's not really realistic to expect everyone to have the exact same revision. By the sounds of it, the difference in threat between my version and his was quite big. Also it confuses me because as I understand it my threat-1.0 is sending out my threat information to the other clients and vice versa, so the amount of threat shown on target for a specific player should not vary between clients?

It's still beta for a reason... There have been some VERY fundamental threat changes in the last couple of weeks.

If you can't get everyone to stay up to date stick with ktm, and just use omen yourself (they talk to each other now). Not trying to be mean or anything, but you have to expect some level of bugginess in a beta quality addon, especially one that is a ground up rewrite of the threat system (which no one has exact numbers on).

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08/27/07, 5:09 PM

#1681

Antiarc

Still alive

Human Rogue

<Southsea Buccaneers>

Cenarion Circle

Originally Posted by Idris

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Our guild has recently migrated to Omen from KTM and yesterday at Morogrim 24 out of 25 people had Omen (the remaining one still had KTM). We all have relatively fresh versions of Omen, ie no more than 2 weeks old.

Me and my raid leader both play a rogue and were assigned to just dps Morogrim throughout the fight. Relatively early on in the fight I was just intending to blow all my cooldowns gearing up for a vanish when the RL told me to watch my aggro. This surprised me a lot as on my Omen I was comfortably behind both the main tank and him, but I vanished anyway.

After the fight I asked why he had warned me and he said I had been well above him and very close to the tank on his Omen. Now, this actually made more sense to me since I had been wondering about my low threat as I started dps a bit earlier than him and was generally not holding back. Any idea why our Omens would show different threat for me? This is really worrying as now I don't know whether I can trust my threat meter at all.

This error was fixed a couple of days ago. Basically, what was happening is that there's a comms lib that handles all of the traffic for me, and when lots of mods start sending traffic through it, low-priority traffic gets delayed until all the high-priority traffic is out of the queue. I switched Threat to send high-priority messages, so they shouldn't get stuck in line behind other messages, as threat does need to be real-time data.

This fixes:

* Tanks dropping off of the list
* People appearing with huge threat spikes after a fight is over
* Problems with desynched threat between clients, as described above
* Threat clears happening randomly
* People ceasing to send threat updates during a fight, only to become "unstuck" after the fight ends

And a number of other things. Have your group update and see if it isn't a bit better for you.

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08/27/07, 9:57 PM	#1682
Stan Von Kaiser Devá Human Priest No WoW Account	hm the "hide when alone" option does not really work. I allways have to check "show when with pet" option twice to hide omen when I'm alone.
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08/28/07, 4:51 PM	#1683
Marroc Now you're thinking with portals! Marroc Undead Rogue <Infection> Twisting Nether	Works fine for both my Rogue and my Warlock. Are you using the most up to date revision?

08/28/07, 5:36 PM	#1684
Camora Von Kaiser Camora Human Mage <Absolved> Spirestone	I'm Not quite sure if this has been covered yet or not (68 pages> me), but On the Vashj fight, people that get Static charge usually skyrocket in threat displayed.

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08/28/07, 6:00 PM

#1685

Antiarc

Still alive

Human Rogue

<Southsea Buccaneers>

Cenarion Circle

Originally Posted by Camora

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I'm Not quite sure if this has been covered yet or not (68 pages> me), but On the Vashj fight, people that get Static charge usually skyrocket in threat displayed.

Hrm. I've never seen that happen on Vashj. It shouldn't be possible, in theory, with Omen. Are the people who are skyrocketing using KTM?

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08/28/07, 6:13 PM

#1686

Stan

Von Kaiser

Devá

Human Priest

No WoW Account

Originally Posted by Marroc

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Works fine for both my Rogue and my Warlock.

Are you using the most up to date revision?

yup

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08/28/07, 10:56 PM	#1687
Moshne Piston Honda Moshne Draenei Shaman <Something Wicked> Malfurion	Our tank is still falling off our threatlist (dumping to zero tps.) the entire raid is running 47431.

08/29/07, 2:33 AM	#1688
Antiarc Still alive Adrine Human Rogue <Southsea Buccaneers> Cenarion Circle	Bah! Okay. I'll dig into the lib and see what's up.

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08/29/07, 5:44 AM

#1689

sp00n

Bald Bull

Night Elf Rogue

Wrathbringer (EU)

Originally Posted by Antiarc

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Hrm. I've never seen that happen on Vashj. It shouldn't be possible, in theory, with Omen. Are the people who are skyrocketing using KTM?

We had that issue when some people were still using KTM. When everybody switched to Omen, it disappeared.
Seems that KTM counts all damage done to other players to calculate that extra threat.

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08/29/07, 8:33 AM

#1690

Elhana

Von Kaiser

Night Elf Rogue

Zenedar (EU)

Originally Posted by sp00n

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We had that issue when some people were still using KTM. When everybody switched to Omen, it disappeared.
Seems that KTM counts all damage done to other players to calculate that extra threat.

KTM also counts threat fine, but people who are running it aren't setting MT, hence reported threat is irrelevant. Blame people, not addons

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08/29/07, 4:01 PM

#1691

Antiarc

Still alive

Human Rogue

<Southsea Buccaneers>

Cenarion Circle

Originally Posted by sp00n

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We had that issue when some people were still using KTM. When everybody switched to Omen, it disappeared.
Seems that KTM counts all damage done to other players to calculate that extra threat.

Correct. If no master target is set, then any damage done to any target is counted towards the player's threat.

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08/30/07, 9:31 AM	#1692
Althor King Hippo Delmortis Night Elf Priest <Ascension> Jubei'Thos	Having the "noone can see our MT" issue too. We're using the latest version.

08/30/07, 1:42 PM	#1693
Marroc Now you're thinking with portals! Marroc Undead Rogue <Infection> Twisting Nether	note for future reference Althor. 'latest' isn't a revision number :P With things changing so often, your latest and the actual latest may not match up :P

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08/30/07, 1:56 PM

#1694

Antiarc

Still alive

Human Rogue

<Southsea Buccaneers>

Cenarion Circle

Originally Posted by Althor

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Having the "noone can see our MT" issue too.

We're using the latest version.

If he never shows up at all, then have him search his addons directory for "Threat-1.0" and see if any duplicate copies are found. If so, have him update the mods that contain the library. Copies of Threat that are older than a certain revision (not recent, but not ancient - don't remember exactly where) can produce errors preventing synch when there are multiple copies installed.

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08/30/07, 5:14 PM

#1695

Amorpheus

Piston Honda

Human Warrior

<Alliance of Tarsonis>

Arthas (EU)

Originally Posted by Moshne

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Our tank is still falling off our threatlist (dumping to zero tps.)

We have one warrior who's been dropping off the list. Not sure if the updates in the last days have fixed it, we still saw that problem just prior to those. But I've noticed she always got stuck at around 10-11k total threat and just stayed there. Perhaps related?

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08/30/07, 5:15 PM

#1696

Antiarc

Still alive

Human Rogue

<Southsea Buccaneers>

Cenarion Circle

Originally Posted by Amorpheus

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We have one warrior who's been dropping off the list. Not sure if the updates in the last days have fixed it, we still saw that problem just prior to those. But I've noticed she always got stuck at around 10-11k total threat and just stayed there. Perhaps related?

That's the fix from the last few days. Her Threat traffic was getting stuck behind her other mods' traffic. That -should- go away now.

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08/30/07, 6:57 PM

#1697

Althor

King Hippo

Night Elf Priest

Jubei'Thos

Originally Posted by Marroc

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note for future reference Althor.

'latest' isn't a revision number :P With things changing so often, your latest and the actual latest may not match up :P

Yeah I was a bit briefer than usual. Was in the middle of a raid at the time with this happening.

The version was the same version being discussed here.

We tried with him disabling KTM and relogging etc. to no avail.

I'll propose Antiarc's suggestion to him when I see him tonight.

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08/30/07, 9:56 PM

#1698

elegy

Glass Joe

Undead Rogue

<Superiority Complex>

Magtheridon

Originally Posted by Moshne

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Our tank is still falling off our threatlist (dumping to zero tps.) the entire raid is running 47431.

Same for us. Fortunatly, the tank is able to see himself so for the time being, he just calls it.

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08/31/07, 12:00 AM	#1699
panny role != roll Hortez Tauren Shaman <DUROTAR SHOULDER PATROL> Barthilas	My threat seems be low when eyeballing the bars (as in about 60% of the tank at most). However, I keep getting warnings that I've exceeded 90% of the tank's threat through the warning system (screen flashes red, warning sounds play). Which one is accurate?

08/31/07, 1:37 AM	#1700
Antiarc Still alive Adrine Human Rogue <Southsea Buccaneers> Cenarion Circle	The bars are more accurate. I think there's some sort of something happening with rapid target switches that's causing the warnings system to get out of synch.

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