We're still getting this problem. One of our VR wipes last night happened because a warlock was seeing her meter report her as low on threat, although the rest of us saw her threat accurately.

Threat-1.0 v47431, Omen v46673.

Well, then it wasn't the Threat Traffic getting stuck as the other players got her Threat messages but some kind of display bug. Never saw something like this happen.

Of maybe the warlock just used the mod as an excuse for him not paying attention, god knows people don't like to admit they fucked up and usual first response is to deny it.

Not the case. She's a good warlock, she knows her stuff, she admits she makes mistakes when she makes them.

Could still be the same issue, if we were getting hers but she wasn't getting ours for some reason.

Stupid question: as I understand it, multiple copies of Ace libraries don't conflict because they contain code which prevents them from loading if a more recent version has already loaded. I didn't notice any such code in Threat-1.0, although I'm a long long way away from being an expert mod coder. Is it at all possible that an old version of the Threat-1.0 lib in a tank's addons might have loaded later and thus be overriding the message priority changes? (I note that old versions can prevent synch entirely, as per Antiarc earlier in this thread, so...)

Second stupid question: if the volume of addon messages is sufficient that we need a library with a priority system to make sure the critical ones get through, is there any chance that there are enough high priority messages such that their prompt delivery is not guaranteed?

I'm often being told that guildies don't see my threat accurately. It jams at a value and then stops updating.

I'm guessing this is a sync issue, we were all using the latest version yesterday. Is Recount a possible cause?

Hrm. Okay. Digging into CastCommLib I go.

I've narrowed it down to either Recount or /combatlog logging for wws. Either that or it's an actual Omen flaw.

Lets explain the issue a little, the 'dropping of threat' really has absolutely nothing to do with dropping. When you are raiding and especially in combat you most likely have a high amount of addon traffic. AceComm is used to manage and compress such traffic.

In this particular case the problem will only occur if the 'victim' has an old version of AceComm lieing around, which basically was very strict on data sending. Whats happening when you have this old version is the addon channel is being monitored for traffic, if theres a lot of traffic then the messages are being delayed, Omen, or more accurately, AceComm, is waiting for traffic to die down a bit before sending the next batch of data. In a threat meter this doesn't really help at all.

The problem is solved by removing the old version of AceComm, I advised my guildies that had this problem to grab WowAceUpdater and use the reinstall all addons function which worked a treat.

As addon traffic is becoming more and more of an issue affecting both latency and fps by increasing the amount of data processed per second more people are taking an interest in cutting it down. Theres good addons like FuBar_AddonSpamFu which point what addons are sending data, don't worry if an addon is sending a ton of messages, its the amount of data you want to be concerned about.



This is a screenshot from a raid analysis I recently done, pinpointing Recount and DoTimer as the biggest data transmitters out there, my advice for my guild was drop Recount for Violation until it has some kind of option to turn syncing off. Also if you run DoTimer type /comm and turn everything off.

My raid KiB/s went from 15 to 7 on average from reducing the amount of gunf sent.

EDIT: Also get people with out of date Cartographer installations to update, as the old version does constant guild spamming, whereas the new version only sends positions when someone has a map open.

Perhaps not the place to ask as it's getting offtopic, but does the amount of data sent by those addons affect myself when I turn the addons in question off? For example, I have Recount on standby and Cartographer turned off on my main, do I still receive the spam from other players using it and possibly causing my fps to slow down?

Small things like cartographer/violation/threat mean nothing, its the large ones you want to be concerned about, especially the large ones multiplied by the amount of people that have them.

There is no way to not receive the messages, the wowclient delivers them to whoever is in the channel, guild/raid/party etc regardless of enabled addons so you will download them anyway. The only thing you can do is give advise of how to reduce them, I've tried to contact Cryect about an option to turn off syncing in Recount but he seems pretty inactive lately.

Anyway, probably should let this go back on topic, like stated in my previous post, you should be able to fix the 'dropping' issue by removing the old AceComm.

Is there a way I can check the version of AceComm I am running, and how do I go about updating it, it doesn't show up as a mod in the WAU.

Also, using the AddonSpam plugin on my Omen offender's computer, he is getting no information from it, no players listed as having messages sent, but logged in at the same time, I have 8-10 people on the list, could this be a symptom of the same problem.

EDIT: Apparently he didn't have the PaintChipLib installed for AddonSpam, but that said, is it possible there is a dependent mod for Omen that he doesn't have that should be obvious, but somehow got missed?

EDIT: Found AceComm in the Ace2 package, should I recommend that everyone run Ace2 seperate from their mods, or is there another way, and lastly, is there any reason NOT to run Ace2 standalone. I've been doing it so long, I never considered whether it was worth it or not.

I've asked my main tank to run the Ace2 standalone in addition to omen and while he does seem to update every now and then, it is still not real time.

Oh, and he's ONLY running : Threat/omen, Ktm, Swstats

His spam is much much lower than even me and my threat displays perfectly.

1. Installing the standalone ace2 won't fix anything... the old version will still be there.
2. Why is he running both ktm and omen anyway? I read over some problems here and most are related to people using both.
3. The amount of messages he sends means nothing, its the amount of messages being sent at any one time in the channel, so if RAID has 100 messages a second that will affect him.

Thanks, I'll monitor things tonight.

I'm sorry if this is a very well known issue, but Soulshatter resists still halve your threat in Omen.

Don't think Antiarc has come up with a good way to fix this yet :P

Ok, I read through several pages, so I apologize if I'm bringing up something that's been discussed, but would you know what I'm doing wrong here:

I went to Gruul's last night. We just finished buffs and I remembered the guild is starting to use Omen instead of KTM. I X-out KTM, log off, and enable Omen (a couple week old version). I re-enter world, and we pull Brutes. I notice nothing's happening in Omen. I notice that nothing's happening in Recount, and nothing's happening in SCT. All three just sitting there, non-functional. I log out, disable Omen, come back and SCT and Recount are working. I tried downloading the latest Omen version, same problem.

How can I resolve this conflict? Is it because KTM is enabled (though X'ed)?

That could be your problem...

I downloaded the latest one a few minutes after, exited WoW, put it in my addons folder, started WoW, same problem. Problem stopped when I disabled Omen.

Omen shouldn't have any bearing on Recount or SCT, unless there's some really funky embedded Ace library stuff going on. Try running WowAceUpdater to update all your Ace mods and see if that helps.

I'll try that, thank you.

I'm still having a lot of trouble with omen on Bloodboil. As a feral druid, I will often be 10-15% above the wars in terms of threat gain trying to pull Gurtogg off of them and still not getting aggro. It seems to be primarily a feral thnig as I don't think the tanks are having the same issue. Also, I see threat values changing during Insignificance, when that should eliminate all threat movement. I <3 this mod, but it could use some Bloodboil fixes.