◊ Praetorian

I know there are a bunch of mods out there that track your own DoTs/debuffs on a target, and are commonly used by warlocks cycling DoTs, mages keeping scorch up, warriors making sure sunder/demo/etc. don't drop off, and so forth.

However, as a shaman and a raid leader, I don't have any personal debuffs to maintain, but I would like a handy and simple all-in-one solution to tracking the major debuffs on a target -- demo, TC, CoE/CoS/CoR, sunder, Faerie Fire -- letting me know when they're on, and when/whether they fall off. Is there a mod out there that's well-suited to this goal without also flooding me with lots of extraneous information?


pDebuffList:

http://www.wowace.com/files/pDebuffList/pDebuffList.zip

 

Antiarc

I've never seen one, but it shouldn't be too hard to implement, actually. Are you talking about your own target, or an arbitrary target? If you do your own target or a /focus, it's pretty trivial. An arbitrary target is a bit rougher, but not impossible. The target of a specific raid unit would as easy as your own target, I'd think.

 

◊ Praetorian

My own target or /focus would be fine. Basically as a raid leader I want to make sure all the crucial debuffs are up at a given time without squinting at the rows of debuff icons under my target frame. If we're doing Morogrim or Gruul or Mag or whatever, I want to know that he always has Demo/CoW on him and to be able to say "Dammit, reapply Demo" the second it ceases to be on there, without having to look for the debuff icon in the middle of all the DoTs on him. And so forth.

It seems like this should be much easier as a result of the 2.1 debuff functionality.

 

subscience

Debuff Filter? I'm not sure if this can create duplicate containers with different filters, but it does allow filtering on your Focus.

 

Antiarc

Using Ace libs, I could probably hack something up that would do this really quickly. Now that time-remaining on debuffs information is available to the client without having to track cast times/talents/etc etc etc, it should be pretty trivial to set up a DOT timer-style candybar list for this. If you don't find anything, say so and I'll hack it up when I get bored.

 

◊ Praetorian

Yeah, moreso than filtering, my ideal vision of what such an addon would do and look like would be a box with a bunch of candybars or an icon/text to indicate that the debuff is missing, visible when I am a) in combat; b) in a raid group; c) not in a battleground. Throw in a config menu allowing me to check/uncheck the debuffs I care about (CoW/CoS/CoE/CoR/Sunder/Expose/TClap/Demo/FF/???), and call it a day. Also maybe an option for a text warning when a flagged debuff drops off.

I was honestly expecting something like this to exist already.

 

◊ Praetorian

This mod is in the ballpark of what I had in mind: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=6052.0

Except that is class-specific, making it too narrow in some ways and too broad in others.

 

Fendryl

It might be worth getting the guy working on ClassTimers to consider adding a "Custom" class instead of having it assume you only want to watch the debuffs associated with your class.

You could probably even adjust the ones contained in bars/General.lua for the ones you want to track.

 

◊ Quigon

The problem with sunder and demo are that there is no indication in the combat log when they are successfully reapplied. We have an internal mod that tracks these debuffs and shares the info, but it was a royal pain in the ass the right up. Doesn't the default GUI do this now? And there is some debuff filter mod out there that sorts on top of this.

 

Fendryl

According to the 2.1 changes (emphasis mine):

I don't think a shaman can get the time remaining on a non-shaman debuff. You'd need something to maintain a data sync from all the classes I think.

 

◊ Praetorian

That's a pain if so, though knowing "is it on or not" without duration would be better than nothing, for sure.

 

◊ Kalman

Just for knowing "Is it on", DebuffFilter will suit your needs. Can monitor target or focus (or both) with configurable debuff lists for each.

For timers, you're going to need something that syncs amongst all raid members, and afaik it doesn't exist yet, although it would certainly be a lot easier to write now with the getTime aspect added in 2.1; rather than tracking bars, each raid member simply getTimes all available times, and then syncs time remaining, with a display mod oriented around choosing the debuffs you wish to track.

 

chase

Well than debuff filter should work for you.

edit: I'm slow.

 

Northerner

It's been said (twice even) but I'll echo that DebuffFilter will suit your needs. I use it for exactly that purpose in a position off to the side and magnified somewhat. Although designed as a filter it also works great as a supplementary filtered window.

There is definitely room for a dedicated mod that does nothing else and also adds some other functionality (Quartz style estimated timers would be nice) but this does the trick. Apologies for the excess redundancy of the post.

 

◊ Praetorian

I'll have to investigate it. My understanding was that all it did was filter your debuff display to show specific ones, which is something, but still a clunky and seemingly requires more of my attention than I'd like to devote when I'm looking to get a piece of info right away. I'm more concerned with which debuffs AREN'T on the target than which are, is the main point. If Demo/TC/Sunder/CoE/CoS/CoR/FF are on the boss, I don't want to have to peer at a window to count them all and make sure. If Demo/TC/Sunder/CoE/CoS/CoR are on the boss, but FF is not, I want to know that immediately at a glance, since that's really what matters.

 

Optikalusion

3 cheers for Debuff Filter from me, it will show you EXACTLY what you want to see on you or your mob, as well as timers for them if you so desire. One of the most necessary mods I've ever come across.

 

Arnath

By default DebuffFilter gives you a frame that you can reposition that will show debuff icons for a set of debuffs that you specify (if the debuff is present) and the number of debuffs. You can create separate frames for target/focus if you want. It's really very handy and if I understand what you're asking for would do exactly that.

 

Wodahs

Debuff filter is pretty hot, but I think what Praet wants has merit too. Imagine a little strip or table of debuffs you want to monitor in, lit up green if the debuff is on, or red if its off. if spot 2 is red, you know sunder isnt up, for example.

 

◊ Kyth

Probably not quite what you want but throwing it out there anyways:

Might want to look into PowerAuras (the issue will be the lack of a text display, as I don't think it has an option to display text. That'd be a nice feature for it, though.)

It has a "only in combat" option. You'd have to turn it on and off for raids, however. (I have it tell me when I'm out of range of our elemental shaman's totems, and always need to remember to turn that on each raid night.)

 

◊ blindworld

I think something that would be like debuff filter, but the opposite would be great. As in only showing the icons for a set of listed buffs that aren't on a mob. I don't know if that'd be easier or harder to implement, but it would avoid the timer issue. See nothing? Everything you need is already applied to your /focus, and it only takes up UI space when something that should be there is missing. It doesn't even have to be the green/red thing, instead a simple red/no icon would work better I think.

 

panny

PowerAuras is what I use. I have it set to display certain symbols when I don't have Battle Shout, Water Shield, etc. I also used to have it display a symbol if my target had the Stormstrike debuff on it.

Takes some configuring though.

 

CasT

Natur enemy castbar started as a pure PvP timer but has grown into something that really can fill up your screen. http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/2786/


I am not sure what you are looking for; if it is to have 40 timers of debuffs, or even if the mod is configuarble in to that purpose. But It's one that I can think of which has debuff timers.

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• Arawethion

Debuff Filter is almost what you want. I'll be a bit more specific that the previous people who mentioned it.

Debuff Filter creates its own separate debuff frame for you target (and for your focus, and even one for yourself, if you want) that includes only debuffs from a list you specify. By including only the most important debuffs, an instantaneous glance at your DFilter frame will spot anything missing. Obviously, there's a tradeoff here--the more debuffs you want to watch, the less "instantaneous" your scan will be. But that will be true of any such mod. It you're trying to monitor every significant raid debuff yourself, you may as well just be watching an unfiltered debuff frame.


The best use of DFilter is to expect people to use it to monitor the debuffs important to their own classes. As a raid leader, you don't want to be filtering in Faerie Fire--that just dilutes your ability to notice at a single glance when something major like Thunderclap is down. Instead, a Rogue whose filter only includes Sunder, CoR, and FF will notice immediately when one of the three is down, and call it on Vent.

Similarly, healers might actually want a DFilter frame for the buffs/debuffs on the MT. The MT often has a huge list of buffs that nobody wants to visually scan every few seconds. A filter frame showing the major HoT's and buffs like Inspiration can help them remain aware of the tank's status without having their eyes scroll past "Prayer of Fortitude" a hundred times per fight. MT himself probably wants to watch Demo Shout/Thunderclap/CoR/Shadow Embrace/etc.

As the raid leader, pick out the few things that you feel the need to inform the raid about immediately if they drop, and filter them in.

Answers to Moonkin questions:
0) Read the TTT/use the spreadsheet: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-moonkin_pve_dps/
1) Maintain high DoT uptime. Use WiseEclipse.
2) Nothing beats 2T8.
3) Yes, sometimes you cast many Wraths and no Eclipse procs. Deal with it.

 

• Arawethion

If my understanding of the 2.1 API is correct, every debuff on the boss will have its duration visible to exactly one raid member?

Answers to Moonkin questions:
0) Read the TTT/use the spreadsheet: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-moonkin_pve_dps/
1) Maintain high DoT uptime. Use WiseEclipse.
2) Nothing beats 2T8.
3) Yes, sometimes you cast many Wraths and no Eclipse procs. Deal with it.

 

Django

Haven't checked this for debuffs as we are mostly raiding with only one shadow priest. So no other SW:P's or stuff.
But buff timers show for every member of the class which is able to cast this buff (PW:F). So I assume, and the phrasing in the patchnotes implies the same, that everyone who is able to cast a specific debuff would see it's duration.

On a sidenote it would be interesting to know if this takes talent speccs into account. Is Divine Spirit duration visible for a shadow priest? Is the Ustable Affliction timer visible for a non-Affliction lock?

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