Load up time has been very slow for me lately... so much so that I think the disconnects I get during it are from the server thinking I've lagged out, but I'm really just slowly loading addon after addon. I know it has to be related to how many addons I run, but is there a way to know which addons are slowing load up time the most?

Last time I disconnected mid boss fight, it was impossible to get in due to addon load (raid addons trying to load in combat = a mess I suppose). I kept hammering login and the second the boss died and we dropped out of combat my addons would load and I got in.

The same happened to a mage of us on Tidewalker last night. A priest who disced couldnt get in either till he turned all his addons off.


I'm guessing this is pretty unavoidable. I only have this issue in raids, and all my raid addons are lightweight Ace2 versions.

edit: just realised I failed to answer your question: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Warmup is what you need, though it isnt completely correct for Ace2 addons, it should give you an idea of whats going wrong.

Ah, yeah that makes a lot of sense. The disconnects I was talking about actually happen toward the end of loading up, usually after it's taken a long time to do so.


edit to your edit: thanks, I'll try that out... I remembered something like that, but couldn't find it.

I remember back when I was using lootlink, it would often disconnect me when it was loading up. Seems like addons that try to load a large database up front can cause enough lag to disconnect you at peak activity times.

Atm it seems the problem for me is Grid.

It even locks up if i log back into a normal group, not a raid.

Disabling just grid fixes the problem.

We've been consistently needing to drop certain members of the raid for them to be able to log back in if they get disconnected. After dropping them from the raid they log back in with no issues and get re invited. Xperl and Grid I believe are two of the offenders.

This is ag_unitframes causing this problem, for us atleast. It's possible there's something in common with other addons as well though that'd make you disconnect in the same way (interface just locking up on login and you'd have to altf4 the game).

Try disabling it and it should work, which other addons may cause this?

Pitbull and Bartender3 caused it for me. After removing these much loved mods, my load times no longer took forever and the random load lockups in SSC went away. My PC isn't that old but it isn't a dual core system, so I can't really explain it. Either way as crazy as it is, I've learned to get used to the default blizz bars and simpleuf from Ace.

So after running Warmup, apparently the primary offender is Cartographer. Now to decide if I can live without it. :[ Aloft is the second highest time consumer, it seems.

Are lighter alternatives to Cartographer? I love the herbs (or mines when I'm on my hunter) on my minimap and the smaller map window, but beyond that I can live without the other features.

I'm pretty sure this is caused by ag_unitframes and not grid. I disconnected during a raid the other day and when I logged back in(without being removed from the raid) ag_uf memory usage was over 50mb. Grid was still under 1mb.

I'm using both bartender3 and pitbull, I've got no problems with loadingtimes or random lockups anywhere. Obviously this issue is related to something else than specific addons - maybe something with the whole ace2 architecture?

Thanks, I'll enable those mods and give it a try.

It's probably not precisely one addon or another more a nexus of the way different addons interact in hooking frames and recieving messasges. The grid loading issues sounds very much like the old login lag. It used to be when you were loading up into a new zone your computer is keeping a track of all events that are happening while you are loading which with lots of addons having their own responders chat parses and whatever built up to massive lag til someone came up with a way to block them all. That was possibly the best mod investment I ever made. So with grid when you are loading up you are getting all the update notifications from the raid which are all being saved up to process which slows the loading which means more build up.

Interactions between mods explains why it is a different mod for many people that is being the performance hog

there used to be a great mod called ntmys Fast Loading Times.

Don't think it works in BC though..

The issue that fixed was implemented in the base UI next patch. I went from 35,000 operations blocked to 500.

The thing is you should read the whole post by that WarmUp addon maker... It explains everything why do u have long loading times and this is supposed to be so, but the game it self wont lag.

thing is its the Ace makes loading really long... ill quote it for you read it carefully then do your conclusions.

It's believed to be a bug in the Blizzard secure headers, which is used to generate units in raid groups.

The reason why people say it's Pitbull, XPerl, sRaidFrames, Grid and Ag_UF, it that these mods are using the secure headers - as required by Blizzard.

It's not related to any one addon.

Can just hope someone pokes Blizzard about it.

So just by figuring out what all the libraries I use are and selecting them on the Ace updater, I can speed up my update time? Will I have to go and delete the embedded libraries every time I update a mod?

You can use aceupdater to download addons without externals. (if you get !!!standalonelibraries, it automaticly switches the default behaviour to 'no externals')

Oh ok, I understand now. I wondered what "externals" meant. :p

Quicker fix to this we discovered is to move them into a group by themselves rather than boot them from the raid. Has yet to fail to achieve the same result and no accidental hearthing as a side effect.