Has anyone figured out, or knows, how the Activity is meassured?
Is it reliable at all? Yes, it's still in beta and should not be relied on etc, but besides that.

For example at Hydross the other night;
We had 1 feral and 1 warrior as offtanks on the spawns. They more or less do exactly the same job, but the warrior ended up #5 and the druid #18 on the Activity.

Looking at the Activity data for one of our shamans it looked like he did nothing at all 70% of the fight. He were obviously quite upset about this and made some tests:
Do we have any further information, knowledge, tests or feedback on the Activity feature?

Did a little more poking around and found some more differences between Recap and Recount.

1. Recount counts me as bing in combat considerably longer than Recap, resulting in substantially lower DPS numbers -- at least while soloing. For example, one fight lasted 14 seconds according to Recap, but 17.5 (16.16 credited to the mob, 1.37 credited to me) in Recount. In a long fight, the 4 extra seconds would disappear, I guess, but...

2. Recap counts my OOC heals, while Recount does not.

3. Recount showed my Rip ticks, but did not show the number of Rip applications, while Recap showed both. (May be a Druid issue.)

4. Not sure what Recount considers an "Interrupt". I used Maim against a caster to stop a heal, but it did not count as an Interrupt against that caster. (May be a Druid issue.)

TO add some more on the drill-down perception, I think Recap gives more levels of aggregation -- easily accessible/bypassable -- and that makes me feel like I can see more. For example...

I look at the collapsed titlebar and see the stat that matters to me (say DPS when I'm in a DPS role). Then I mouse over it and it pops up the party listing, where I've customized it to show more summary stats for each party member. Then I can select a party member and see one of three pages (the first modal selection I've made): Incoming, Outgoing, Summary, or Misc. If I choose Outgoing, I see all outgoing abilities color-coded by type (healing, damage, etc) and subtotaled as appropriate (melee damage, other damage, etc). Then I can select a particular ability and get the details.

In Recount, the initial table is not as flexible, and it is more modal. I can then drill down on a particular player to the incoming damage, outgoing damage, etc, level with no intermediate summarization. The "missing" level of aggregation feels like I'm missing something. As well as the navigation feels more modal than Recap.

Does that make sense? I guess it's sort of like why I like RPN calculators: I see results along the way instead of just results at the end.

So my second-look summary of the two would be:

Recap: I really like its navigation and its intermediate data summaries. It feels non-modal and natural, and it feels like you flow from data to data. (I also like that it seems to give me higher DPS while soloing.) And I like being able to put it in "Last Fight" mode so I can easily see if changes in gear or tactics seem to be making a difference. (On the other hand, there's no way to look at two fights ago: you only get overall stats or last-fight stats.)

Recount: Feels more modal and segmented navigateion-wise. Tracks task-oriented events so you get a better feel for teamwork and who is doing their assignments. Graphs give a nice higher-level view of fights. Tracks threat, which Recap does not, and which is obviously a big thing for groups. Tracks the last N fights, so you can look back on each individually, whereas Recap only tracks overall or last fight. Graphs allow more direct comparisons between players (which can be good or sometimes bad).

Thanks!

(P.S. I asked for a way to track how long a trinket's proc'd aura was up because I have a trinket that provides a nice buff (chance-on-hit) but I suspect that it is procing less at higher levels than it did when I first got it. If the buff is active as often as the tooltip indicates, it's a pretty nice, lelatively obscure trinket. Inquiring minds and all...)

I just wanted to put in my thanks for writing this mod. We started Vashj last night so I thought I'd try it out and I absolutely love it; this is just amazing. I got one of my guild leaders to use it and probably by next week the other two will be using it also.

My favorite part so far is being able to tell at a glance for the last X hours who died from what. More specifically, that I don't have to get three separate mods to do what Recount does on its own. Next week I will be using it to see who's dying from Whirlwind on Leo and who's not, hehe. My second close favorite is the graphs and detailed skill breakdowns that it does.

Really great job on this; I love the GUI; very easy to read and navigate. In addition, the information it provides is invaluable; much less limited than the SW Stats I was using previously. Very very nice; thank you much for this.

I've determined the memory issue and as soon as I finish testing out the changes new version should be up that addresses them (the problem was you were storing 12 tables of data for every single possible thing including mobs that you hadn't fought in ages).

You mean on the tooltips? I mean you can see more info if you left click them of course. I can customize it so the number shown in the tooltips can be changed though

Noted, I was having the same issue last night.

Click and drag either bottom left corner or bottom right corner.

Crushings are there are you sure you aren't looking at outgoing data on the summary report instead of incoming?

Its reliable for what its supposed to do which is give me a timespan for determining HPS and DPS. The exact way it works is as follows. Everytime you do an ability Recount sees (means a heal ticks, you hit something, etc) it checks the difference between the current time and the last ability you did if its less than 3.5 seconds it then adds that time as being done for that ability to whoever. If its greater than 3.5 it assumes you casted a 3.5 second cast/swing time (not quite true but in most cases this time is very small but needs to be a decent amount so it doesn't look like DPS/HPS spikes really high at a start of a fight). So what does this mean?

A person using a constant flow of HOTs will look like they are always active while a person doing a lot of spell canceling looks like they did nothing (because well as far as actually activity done they did nothing but canceled spells).

What parts of activity would I actually use? I wouldn't use the overall time too much except to look for afkers on trash but verify via their other numbers they truly were afk (example healing numbers on who they were supposed to heal do they compare to the other healers on the person). Parts of activity that are useful is going into details and you get a perspective on how much percent time a person does each action which is kinda interesting.

Thanks, for all the ccomments reading over them and want to think a little before responding (some is quick response stuff and others aren't).

Thanks

RE: Healing stuff

What I want to be able to see is the full list of who someone healed, not just the top 3. Maybe put that in the details window when I click on their healing done bar. This need came out of working on Vashj last night and trying to figure out if someone was not healing the correct people.

So broken down, this is what I'd like to see:
Also in light of the windfury changes last night I was hoping to have somehow found something in recount that tracked windfury procs and other ability gains, but you haven't put that sort of thing in yet.

Maim isn't an interrupt effect, shield bash, pummel, kick, counterspell, spell lock are interrupts (school lockdown for X seconds). Feral charge might be an interrupt, but the description implies a blanket silence for 4 seconds (or just a root of 4 seconds with no school lockdown).

Edit: earthshock too.

I like the fight histories, but I have one suggestion. When clicking the button to select Overall, last fight, or one of the specific battles... would it be possible to have the window disappear immediately on selecting something instead of having to wait 5 seconds or w/e for the window to fade out.

When I leave a raid group the data for all the other people in the raid dissapears, what i want to do is review the data after the raid has finished. Is this possible?

Yes I see it on the table but it's not recording them when someone gets hit by a crushing blow. Yes I am sure I am looking at the right table. I'm still using SW Stats and Recap (not to mention I can see the crushing blows in the combat log) - any chance one or the other is interfering?

Thanks.

The problem of bar textures reverting to default went away when I installed Shared Media. I thought I already had SM, but I guess I didn't >_>

Another little idea/request that popped up just now, while trying to figure out what was killing people on a wipe: maybe possible to sort the "Deaths" on time of death? Think they're displayed alphabetically now.

My favorite feature is the Poly Breaker.

Especially for Trash cleaning, we often have a good laugh at who intentionally or unintentionally broke the sheep after reaching the boss.

I'm having a problem with the realtime graph lagging me out when I exit combat. Its when it scales back from whatever dps teh raid is doing to 0. It didn't use to happen but recently it all but stops my machine for a second while it sorts that out.

Thank you for all the work you have put into this. I love this mod

Sorry for the nub question, but how exactly is it opened once its been hidden? Is there any nifty troggle button?

/recount show

/recount hide
/recount show

What is the technical implication of this? Does it mean that it's difficult to detect Interrupts? Or are you saying that only silences count as interrupts?

In my mind, Maim, Feral Charge (Pounce, and Earth Shock, too) should all be counted as Interrupts if physically possible, since they do in fact stop a mob or player from doing something they intended to do. Even if the interrupted target can immediately recast, that's several more seconds delay and also opens a window for someone else to interrupt or silence -- so I see a difference from mere damage pushback.

Not sure if it's Recount or other damage meters, but the usual trick in such situations is to set the prefs to show those outside of your raid/party.

Hm, maybe you could automatically switch from Current Fight to the last fight when combat is over?

Currently, when you select current fight only, you see the bars only for a few seconds after the combat has ended and you have to select the last fight by hand. Switching this automatically would offer a bit of comfort, since a blank window isn't very helpful.

Maybe you could even automatically switch to Current Fight again when you enter combat, but that might bring some problems when you are just looking into the data.

Oh yeah i see it now, in the settings i didnt have the "Ungrouped" boxes ticked =)

Very good suggestion! Add two new options: 1) Out of Combat (View Last Fight, View Overall), and 2) In Combat (View Current fight, View Last Fight, View Overall). The option would set what is switched to when you first enter or exit combat, so if you manually override -- say select a particular fight -- it won't be re-switched on you.

Also, arrange the fights in the menu in reverse order, with the last at the top (i.e. the closest selection to choose, as you'll most likely want to review more recent fights versus older fights).

Today, I've been mainly working on Relog (something along the lines of Unilog except it also stores Unit information and uses tags for the display of data). Its in the early stages but its somewhat usable though filtering I'm afraid is a little restricted to just well filtering (can't multipass filter and expand selections yet). The table display mode though is basically pretty much fully working. You can resize, remove, or add new columns at will based on tags.



1. Thats due to adding 3.5 seconds in case the player is opening up with a 3.5 second cast.
2. Thats actually a hidden option that I need to reveal in the config screen.
3. Yeah, not tracking applications since would require I do more than parse the combat log
4. Unfortunately maim isn't classified as an interrupt so no message is triggered.

Yeah, I need to add a stat to the title bar plus allow a way for it to minimize.

On the missing intermediate feeling. I know what you mean though its hard to express the best way to solve that but will definitely be keeping that in mind for Recount 2.0. The way the data is shown in Recount really reflects the data structures and I went for a display more in copying SWStats/DamageMeters since those are the defacto right now. I probably will go with a more WWS type display and flow of information for Recount 2.0 with data being recorded being modular and selectable so people themselves can add new data modules.

BTW I think I will add a buff tracking in which should then show the procs you want though won't really give any good reference for how they work, but better than nothing at least (no easy way to add full proc tracking in the current framework).

Its in the plans!

I think its Fix Ambigious Strings being enabled, goto options and disable that under data and ReloadUI and I think you will have it go away (it was activated by default for foreign users).

Well my first plan is to add showing an option for Current Fight while in combat and Last Fight while out of combat which definitely will help out. Will look at those others afterwards. Trying to clamp down on too many new features at the moment since I want to get a 1.0 release ready and out.