Expiration (available at WoWAce) handles death tracking, but I don't know how much detail it goes into.

I have syncing disabled on mine and haven't had any issues with disconnects or lag.

As there wasnt any on Jira for Recount ...

I've gave my pet the same name my hunter toon has. That totally bugged Recount in matters of the accuracy of the meters for me and my pet. I'm not listed at all. The pet get some meter data, but no detailed meter data's, like max crit.

There never used to be this option, someone has picked it up and started maintaining it again and added it in now though.

I'm pretty sure trivial is critters. I could be wrong though because unless your dps is really close to eachother I doubt Aim Shotting all of those frogs would bring you from 4th to 1st.

Does recap merge pets? Does recap consider activity as a factor? Was the hunter specced 41/20/0?

The hunter class, with talents spent properly and shooting properly, can put out some obscene damage right now. Our mages have to gather bloodlust/heroism and shadow priests just to keep up on single-target fights.

Trivial mobs are critters, yes. The hunter might've been shooting at the frogs, but I don't think that's gonna take you from 4th to 1st either (as someone else suggested).

A damage meter that's never reset is fine, but a damage meter that's not splitting on combat is not fine and shouldn't be taken as infallible. WWS is a lot more reliable than questionable meter resets.

He is spec'd 41/20/0 atm. As far as I know recap does merge pets and I was putting out about 870-900 DPS. very close to 1000 on the boss fights, recap said he was doing about 1000 DPS. Then according to my friends recount, he went from 1st to 4th. I didn't ask her what his actually DPS was on her chart. When I compared my recap meter to another friends recount meter that had trivial mobs selected, the meters were almost identical. As far as we could tell, the only thing that was different on her recount was that she didn't have trivial mobs selected, but I'd really like to do some further investigation, I'm leaning towards the possibility that there was something else she didn't have selected.

-T

A guildmate recommended Recount and I was playing around with it last night. I've always liked Recap, so I tried to compare the two side by side. I haven't run Recount through a raid yet, but I did notice some differences in "combat time" between the two mods. I'm going to guess that Recap tries to parse DPS by measuring time you're applying damage, while Recount does it by system "in combat" and "out of combat" messages. I noticed this by pulling a mob with a non-damage spell, the in combat difference between the two always came out to 3-4 seconds, as opposed to 1s difference when immediately engaging the mob.

My question is which is a more accurate measure of data, whether it be healing, damage, or whatever, over time? I realize both systems have their weaknesses. Recap's "only measure when damaging" can be exploited in the short term, especially from casters that lead off with long cast spells. Recount's method though almost seems to dilute the per second stat to uselessness. I don't know a boss that doesn't pulse the whole raid into combat, so if everyone's going to be in combat for the same amount of time(barring deaths), what's the point? Besides instantaneous graphs, which I will admit is a really nice feature on Recount.

This made me think of the "DPS time" stat on WWS. I've never used the mod, but does that relate at all to what I'm talking about?

In my opinion, in-combat is the right way to do it, thats when your window opens for doing things (tanking, healing, dps, whatever) and thats what should be measured.

Recount has an "activity" stat though which, as far as I know (and this might be wrong), is time-in-combat compared to combat-actions or something like it.

Pure "combat time" on its own seems pretty useless to be honest, am I missing a use for this ?

Ran with recap and recount through a Gruul attempt last night. They actually came up with pretty similar numbers. Recap had higher total damage, for some reason(about 1k addition raid wide). DPS wise, they were somewhat similar. Most people's dps varied 10-20 between the two mods, and maybe the way Recount measures is different than what I expected. One person went afk just as the fight started, so he was 11th on total damage, but his dps was about 4th. As expected, his 'time in battle" was a good minute shorter than the duration of the fight. These results probably sell me on Recount.

About that activity stat, where can that be accessed? The way you describe would make it seem to favor people that attack pretty much every GCD(warriors) compared to casters with long cast time(fire mages). Am I understanding it wrong? Probably something simple like weighting the combat action based on what the action is.

I was favoring "combat time" because that's what I was used to. Situations where I would think it would be better: people who wait long enough to engage a mob for good tank agro. Or fights that are melee unfriendly(lots of running around, like prince). Pure "in combat" time would penalize melee dps for running in and out of shadow nova, while "combat time" would give a better measure of their dps effort.

imo Recap using better approach - your active dps time depends on many factors like shatter, AOE and other runaround stuff especially for melee, hence when looking at Recap you check both total damage and dps:
- some rogue has low damage total on archimonde, but dps is about the same? -> he probably been flying half of the time this run
- paladin is nr1 on dps? -> check his dps time, it's 1 second - he just hammered in the end, ignore it
- a mage who did most total damage, but 2nd on dps list - he just engaged earlier while other were waiting for aggro (risky.. you choose if it's good or bad)

besides I just love recent data in Recap, not sure if this is in recount aswell because I haven't checked it for about 4 month since last time Recount frozen my WoW completely on Kaelthas attempt