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Old 08/14/07, 1:24 PM   4 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #51 (permalink)
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As someone who only recently made the transition to a well-built custom UI with all the necessary raiding addons, I haven't really had the opportunity to configure much of anything within Grid except for its on-screen position and individual frame size.

I'm wondering if anyone could suggest some useful attributes to assign to my corner boxes (as a raid leader and main tank). I was thinking of doing something to this effect:

Top left - Aggro (red)
Top right - Incoming Heal (green)
Bottom left - Debuffed (color as appropriate)
Bottom right - ?

I'm planning on trying out the GridManaBars add-in, so that should solve the problem of needing to see mana deficiency. I also plan on stealing the idea of having both name and health deficiency displayed on every frame (provided it fits properly >.<).

Thoughts?

(Edit - you can see the position of my Grid frames in this old screenshot: http://www.virtuousguild.com/images/vecui1.jpg)
 
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Old 08/14/07, 6:49 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Vectivus View Post
As someone who only recently made the transition to a well-built custom UI with all the necessary raiding addons, I haven't really had the opportunity to configure much of anything within Grid except for its on-screen position and individual frame size.

I'm wondering if anyone could suggest some useful attributes to assign to my corner boxes (as a raid leader and main tank). I was thinking of doing something to this effect:

Top left - Aggro (red)
Top right - Incoming Heal (green)
Bottom left - Debuffed (color as appropriate)
Bottom right - ?

I'm planning on trying out the GridManaBars add-in, so that should solve the problem of needing to see mana deficiency. I also plan on stealing the idea of having both name and health deficiency displayed on every frame (provided it fits properly >.<).

Thoughts?

(Edit - you can see the position of my Grid frames in this old screenshot: http://www.virtuousguild.com/images/vecui1.jpg)
I really think you're trying to do too much with your grid for your needs.

The incoming heal button only takes into account people using grid or sraidframes, which probably wont be every single healer in your raid, so as a non healer unless you're enforcing grid/sraid as a required mod, that indicator wont be much use.

Things that you'll actively use as a raidleader would be any encounter specific debuffs - things like insidious whisper on leo, static charge on vashj, even melted armor for al'ar would be handy to use as a maintank. You'll have to add these debuffs in manually, but you can go as simple as the rend on moroes, or amplify damage on prince, which depending on the intelligence of your raidgroup can be a very useful thing.

Colour coded debuffs on a corner icon sounds good in theory, but you really shouldnt be reminding people who can cure to cure.

I'd definitely reccomend you getting the manabar addon and missingbuffs (think it's called GridStatusMissingBuffs), and setting a centre icon to show when you're out of combat. I personally found that I missed out on seeing xraidstatus missing buffs because it was an addon that i'd scaled down and tucked out of the way, and no matter what peramaters I set for my multiple mana status bars, there was just never specific enough information when you really need it.
 
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Old 08/15/07, 7:29 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Personally I have the following basic setup for Grid...

Top Center Text: Name
Bottom Center Text: Health deficit, as well as dead/offline/etc
Center Icon: Curable Debuffs (Unstable Affliction configured as a highest priority to display here so I know not to dispel when it's up)
Top Left Corner: Aggro
Top Right Corner: Color coded debuffs (Just for generic information whether it's a poison or whatnot so I know who else can potentially remove it; curses I've set as highest priority for this because I can't remove those myself and it's still interesting to know about them being up)
Bottom Left Corner: Incoming healing indicator. Works well for us since most of the healers use Grid. I've also enabled the option which disables it showing for your own heals.
Bottom Right Corner: Encounter-specific non-curable debuffs. This also includes a few debuffs used by trash mobs, but it's mostly for boss encounters. Examples of debuffs included in this would be Static Charge, Water Tomb, Leo's Whirlwind debuff, etc.

This way it displays pretty much all information you could possibly need from your raid frames.
 
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Old 08/15/07, 7:53 AM   #54 (permalink)
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I have a question about the Encounter-Specific-Debuffs.

Yesterday I tried setting up "Icebolt" for the Rage Winterchill fight to show as center icon but it didn't work. Thought this could help the healers a little bit. Well, he went down nevertheless but we are still experiencing the odd Icebolt-Casualilty.

Is it not possible to show those One-Boss-Only debuffs as a center icon? Has Grid all Icons in its own data-files or does it load them dynamically from the WoW-archives? Or did I just make some mistake in setting this debuff up?

I didn't try it with other bosses but will do it in the next ID's.

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Old 08/15/07, 8:21 AM   #55 (permalink)
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I've recently made the change to Grid and one of the primary functionalities I'm missing from CTRA is the ability to see when someone is AFK. Yes, I realize raid status mods will tell me the number of people AFK, however, it would be far more beneficial to me to see *who* is AFK.

It's such a simple thing that I feel like I really must be overlooking the obvious but for the life of me I can't find a way to do it.
 
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Old 08/15/07, 8:40 AM   #56 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Django View Post
I have a question about the Encounter-Specific-Debuffs.

Yesterday I tried setting up "Icebolt" for the Rage Winterchill fight to show as center icon but it didn't work. Thought this could help the healers a little bit. Well, he went down nevertheless but we are still experiencing the odd Icebolt-Casualilty.

Is it not possible to show those One-Boss-Only debuffs as a center icon? Has Grid all Icons in its own data-files or does it load them dynamically from the WoW-archives? Or did I just make some mistake in setting this debuff up?

I didn't try it with other bosses but will do it in the next ID's.
You need to make sure that the ability is spelt correctly (and capitalised correctly, in this case 'Icebolt' is correct) as well as having it turned on in the right frame option (center icon). Then make sure that it's set up as a debuff, not as a buff, and is set to a relatively high priority (for something like that setting it to 99 is probably the best thing to do). It should just take the debuff icon from the debuff affecting them, rather than taking it from a file. I know people in the guild that have both Water Tomb and Watery Grave set up for Hydross and SSC, as well as Deadly Poison for Council, so it definitely works on "non-standard" debuffs/buffs.
 
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Old 08/15/07, 10:39 AM   2 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #57 (permalink)
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Mannoroth
Here is the list of custom debuffs for grid that I use beyond the standard ones provided in the Grid package. My guild is only on Kael'thas (3 of the phase 3 bosses down as of Monday night, stupid Mannoroth hardware upgrades), so it won't be as comprehensive as I'm sure some people's lists will be (the mention of "Deadly Poison" on the Illidari Council above). They are shaman skewed, since I can break sleeps/fears with tremors, but some of the additional ones may be useful as well.

To add a debuff to grid for watching, click on "Status -> Auras -> Add New Debuff". The debuffs are case sensitive, so you must remember to capitalize them properly. Then just place a check next to the debuff in the Center Icon listing to have it displayed. This can be done in combat as well, as long as it is spelled properly.



Anesthetic - Sleep from engineers in Mech (Tremor Totem removes it)
Bellowing Roar - Fear from mobs like Nef, Nightbane, and Sanguinar
Charmed - Demons in karazhan
Domination - Annoying mind control debuff in TK - good for druids to cyclone those crazy fury warriors who like to shred clothies during mind control
Entangle - many things but specifically the phase 1 & 3 AOE root that Lady Vashj does
Fear - self-explanatory
Howl of Terror - warlock fear (for pvp)
Insidious Whisper - Debuff received during Leotheras that spawns adds
Intimidating Roar - Fear from HKM
Intimidating Shout - Standard warrior fear
Melt Armor - Al'ar's debuff on the MTs
Mind Control - Self-explanatory
Remote Toy - Debuff from Engineer Kael'thas Advisor
Panic - Fear debuff from Striders on Vashj
Psychic Scream - standard priest fear
Saw Blade - Annoying debuff from demons in Void Reaver's room and from the Mech sub-bosses.
Sleep - self-explanatory
Static Charge - Debuff from Lady Vashj in phase 1 and 3
Vile Sludge - Nature Phase debuff during Hydross nature phase
Water Tomb - Ice Phase debuff during Hydross water phase
Watery Grave - Name of the teleport debuff given during the Morogrim fight
Whirlwind - Debuff people receive during Leotheras that ticks for 2k a tick or so if some idiot gets whirlwinded
 
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Old 08/15/07, 10:43 AM   #58 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by dukes View Post
...as well as Deadly Poison for Council, so it definitely works on "non-standard" debuffs/buffs.
While we're at the Council. Do you know what the debuff is called from that holy fire that is being thrown around? Didn't seem to be able to figure that one out for Grid.

Edit: nvm I found it
 
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Old 08/15/07, 10:47 AM   #59 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Zenedra View Post
While we're at the Council. Do you know what the debuff is called from that holy fire that is being thrown around? Didn't seem to be able to figure that one out for Grid.
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Old 08/15/07, 10:57 AM   #60 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Caba View Post
I've recently made the change to Grid and one of the primary functionalities I'm missing from CTRA is the ability to see when someone is AFK. Yes, I realize raid status mods will tell me the number of people AFK, however, it would be far more beneficial to me to see *who* is AFK.

It's such a simple thing that I feel like I really must be overlooking the obvious but for the life of me I can't find a way to do it.
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Old 08/15/07, 11:17 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by aleyro View Post
/bump?
I havent seen such module for Grid,although it can be done with pitbull and dogtag.
 
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Old 08/15/07, 1:02 PM   #62 (permalink)
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I have a question pertaining to using mouseover macros. For example I might have the following macro for Renew:

#showtooltip Renew
/cast [target=mouseover] Renew

If I bind that macro to a button my keyboard, "E" for example I can hover my mouse pointer over a persons Grid Frame and press E it will cast renew on them without having to target them, but the same will not work if I have a macro bound to my mouse button. Is it that the UI won't allow 2 functions from the mouse at the same time (mouseover and mouseclick?) or would it have to be something programmed into the mod?
 
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Old 08/15/07, 1:15 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Black Dragonflight
Is there any way to configure GridManaBars to show a deficit (actual or %)? Having the little bar is lovely, but I've gone back to a 'low mana' warning icon with a threshold of 50% until I can figure this out.
 
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Old 08/15/07, 3:18 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Vectivus View Post
Is there any way to configure GridManaBars to show a deficit (actual or %)? Having the little bar is lovely, but I've gone back to a 'low mana' warning icon with a threshold of 50% until I can figure this out.
I'm not certain why you would need to see mana bars. Even if the idea is to call out for innervates/manatide whatever, its always best to let the person who is running OOM call out for it. A low mana bar doesn't always = going OOM because you dont know what their cooldowns are looking like. They could be at 10% mana, but only 10 seconds away from popping a supermana pot, shadowfiend, etc....
 
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Old 08/15/07, 3:34 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Anyway to change the range checking on grid.

I would like to change it from 40 yards to 30.
 
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Old 08/15/07, 3:38 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Maliva View Post
I'm not certain why you would need to see mana bars. Even if the idea is to call out for innervates/manatide whatever, its always best to let the person who is running OOM call out for it. A low mana bar doesn't always = going OOM because you dont know what their cooldowns are looking like. They could be at 10% mana, but only 10 seconds away from popping a supermana pot, shadowfiend, etc....
I don't disagree - casters should be managing their own mana, arranging their own innervates, etc.

It's mostly just a degree of accuracy thing - I would like to have a more accurate measurement of individual mana remaining visible than just the bar.
 
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Old 08/15/07, 5:59 PM   #67 (permalink)
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I have a horizantal grid layout with names and health deficit on the text items. I also use the side indicator thingy.

Border : Aggo Alert > Healer Priority
Center Text : abbreviated name
Center Text 2 : Health deficit, death, offline
Top left : PW:S, Weakend Soul
Top Right : Magic debuff, Disease Debuff
Bottom Left : My Renew
Bottom Right : INcoming Heal, Low Mana
Frame Alpha : death, offline, range
Left Side : Prayer of Mending
Right Side : Fear ward, Inspiration
Top Edge : Missing Divine Spirit (OOC only)
Bottom Edge : Missing PW:F (OOC), Clearcasting (so i don't miss my own and can get annoyed about how often the mage one procs)

So in the following Dyv has PoM, my renew and fear ward.



An OOC version showing missing buffs:

 
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Old 08/16/07, 9:00 PM   #68 (permalink)
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I found this mods options very confusing and rather shitty. Im trying to make my grid have the boxes in a rectangle closer to what a unit frame looks like. Very much like the above posters. Is there a simple way to do edit the indivual boxes, I have yet to find the option for it, I am racking my brain with this.
 
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Old 08/17/07, 7:35 AM   #69 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by _Retribute_ View Post
I found this mods options very confusing and rather shitty. Im trying to make my grid have the boxes in a rectangle closer to what a unit frame looks like. Very much like the above posters. Is there a simple way to do edit the indivual boxes, I have yet to find the option for it, I am racking my brain with this.
Go to Frames -> Advanced for options on the appearance and size of the frames.

Mine updated, I find I like making them look fairly similar to regular untiframes.
 
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Old 08/17/07, 12:01 PM   #70 (permalink)
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Is there a way to change the thickness of Border Frame?
 
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Old 08/20/07, 4:52 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Sigea View Post
I have a question pertaining to using mouseover macros. For example I might have the following macro for Renew:

#showtooltip Renew
/cast [target=mouseover] Renew

If I bind that macro to a button my keyboard, "E" for example I can hover my mouse pointer over a persons Grid Frame and press E it will cast renew on them without having to target them, but the same will not work if I have a macro bound to my mouse button. Is it that the UI won't allow 2 functions from the mouse at the same time (mouseover and mouseclick?) or would it have to be something programmed into the mod?
You're misunderstanding the way a macro's button: modifier works. It pertains to how you click the button. You can't have a mouseover target and button modifier work for the same spell, because to right-click the button, the button is your mouseover target.
/cast [target=mouseover] Renew
/cast [button:2] Power Word: Shield
Will cast a renew on your mouseover target, or cast a PW:S on your current target if you right-click the button.
 
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Old 08/20/07, 5:13 PM   #72 (permalink)
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What I'd like to see if the background deficit bar represent hp on some classes, but mana on other classes. The mana bar mod is kind of similar to this but does too much, I think. I don't really want to see rage/energy on melee, and I don't want to see health on casters. Am I being too picky here?
 
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Old 08/20/07, 8:11 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Laughing Skull
I keep getting the following error when using Grid plus GridManaBars

Error: attempt to index field 'ManaBar' (a nil value)
AddOn: GridManaBars
File: GridManaBars.lua
Line: 141
Count: 1

Also get the following error when i try to hide/show Gridmana:

Error: attempt to index local 'ro' (a nil value)
AddOn: GridManaBars
File: GridManaBars.lua
Line: 296
Count: 5
 
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Old 08/21/07, 1:16 AM   #74 (permalink)
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Grid question --- how do I disable the highlight that appears on mouse over? I can't seem to find an option for it anywhere.

Thanks!
 
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Old 08/21/07, 5:30 AM   #75 (permalink)
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