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Old 12/09/08, 4:30 PM   #451
Nackleburr
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Here's an alternative to the WoW gaming mouse for a mouse with lots o' buttons: Cyborg Mouse

I picked this up since my WoW mouse has been delayed repeatedly for weeks now. I'm going to try both out and return whichever I like least.

So far, I'll say that the Cyborg mouse hasn't played well with Vista, even though they claim to have support for Vista on the box. I ran out of time trying to get it set up before last night's raid, so I'll have to spend more time tonight playing with it to try to get it working.

I like the layout of it. The side buttons & side hat control are easily accessible. What I don't like already are 1) the scroll wheel is noisy, and has a metal clacky sound when scrolled, and 2) it is much lighter than my previous mouse (Sidewinder). I'll report back with more later, but it is a cheaper alternative to the WoW mouse with some nice perks.

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Old 12/09/08, 4:38 PM   #452
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Originally Posted by Nackleburr View Post
Here's an alternative to the WoW gaming mouse for a mouse with lots o' buttons: Cyborg Mouse

I picked this up since my WoW mouse has been delayed repeatedly for weeks now. I'm going to try both out and return whichever I like least.

So far, I'll say that the Cyborg mouse hasn't played well with Vista, even though they claim to have support for Vista on the box. I ran out of time trying to get it set up before last night's raid, so I'll have to spend more time tonight playing with it to try to get it working.

I like the layout of it. The side buttons & side hat control are easily accessible. What I don't like already are 1) the scroll wheel is noisy, and has a metal clacky sound when scrolled, and 2) it is much lighter than my previous mouse (Sidewinder). I'll report back with more later, but it is a cheaper alternative to the WoW mouse with some nice perks.
I use one of these, and I can't really recommend it. You can change the clackiness of the scroll wheel, which I think is a plus for you, but it has issues. The software for it is kind of hit-and-miss. I can set up a profile and link it, and when I change modes using the button on the top, I'll blue-screen. Vista. And then suddenly a couple weeks later, I'll find that it has magically started working inadvertently. Also, the side hat wore out extremely quickly, to where I can't use it in 8-direction mode anymore, as it doesn't recognize two of diagonal directions at all. The extra buttons are nice, I'm still using it as it's at least better than my old 3-button ball mouse, but I'm looking for a new option in the future.


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Old 12/09/08, 7:33 PM   #453
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Originally Posted by Prosiddon View Post
I just got a n52te and it got me thinking about buying a new mouse. I am using a razer deathadder and while it is great for fps I think something like a logitech mx revolution might be better for wow. So, I was wondering what do you guys who have the revolution use the sidewheel for?
I'm using a revolution, and I'm quite ambivalent on it; on one hand the amount of buttons and the ergonomic design are a godsend, but on the other it hasn't been very resistant to punishment. I've had mine for around 6 months and the rightclick seems to have a mind of it's own and double or triple click every now and then, it's not even consistant so it's practically impossible to adjust for it; I may look online for a repair and mainteinance guide for it since it's not obvious (at least to me) how to take it apart for deep cleaning. Also, low battery can result in crappy response but charging is fast, so docking it every now and then when afking or in logging screens keeps it fed for sessions.

Using überoptions to remap everything is a must as the original software does not really allow for it (a little tip: bind the different buttons to numlock and change the keypress in the edit box that will appear) but after that it's a clean ride.

Back to your question about the sidewheel, on my warrior my bindings are:

WheelUp = Heroic Strike / Cleave
WheelDown = Shield Block
WheelLeft = Shield Bash / Pummel
WheelRight = Concussion Blow / Piercing Howl
SideButtonUp = Charge / Interept / Intervene
SideButtonDown = Hamstring / Rend / Taunt
SideWheelUp = Battle Stance
SideWheelMiddle = Zerker Stance
SideWheelDown = Defensive Stance

I've done some similar stuff with my alts, binding my DK's presences to the sidewheel, Deathgrip and Chains of Ice to the sidebuttons and interrupts and strikes to the wheel; on my Shaman sidewheel is for shocks and wheel for totems and heals.

EDIT: I was planning on buying a couple of these mice (revolution MX) as I'm now to used to it to go change mouse, but upon seeing the WoW mouse linked before I'm thinking of switching to it. Can anyone report on how sturdy, resistant and responsive it feels?

DOUBLE EDIT: Well, after further reading of the thread seems like this is a common problem with these mice, guess I'll try to do what GokieKS mentioned a bit back with the glue because right-clicking and moving right past some mobs while tanking is just a recipe for disaster.

Last edited by Irghen : 12/09/08 at 7:48 PM.

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Old 12/09/08, 8:01 PM   #454
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Got my WoW mouse last week, really not using it atm. Would like to, but I dont like the way the macros work, I am just wanting to cut and paste my macros into the mouse interface and it doesn't work that way......

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Old 12/10/08, 7:44 AM   #455
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Originally Posted by jfpro View Post
Got my WoW mouse last week, really not using it atm. Would like to, but I dont like the way the macros work, I am just wanting to cut and paste my macros into the mouse interface and it doesn't work that way......
The software takes a bit to figure out. Make a macro in the software to press, say, Numpad5. Then, in game, bind Numpad5 to whatever in-game macro you want there. It can do what you want, there's just an extra step in there.

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Old 12/10/08, 11:25 AM   #456
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I'm currently using the Nostromo N52 and a Logitech Cordless Trackman Optical (trackball). I prefer trackballs because they seem to reduce wrist strain.

As far as key mapping is concerned I have toggle autorun and jump bound to the < and > buttons on the trackball.
I use the trackball scroll wheel for zooming the camera.
The D pad on the Nostromo is forward, back and strafe.
The scroll on the Nostromo is for my mounts (scroll up is land mount, scroll down is flying mount).
The rest of the buttons are mapped in three layers using shift states and allow for a total of 41 additional spells or macros to be bound, plus one key for tab targeting.

One thing I find particularly useful about the Nostromo is the fact that it can be configured to "spam" a key when you hold it down. I have most of my abilities set up to spam 3 times per second. This is particularly handy for example if you are being stunlocked and need to get off a spell, since you can hold the button down and if there is even a split second break in the stunlock the ability will fire.

It is important to note that this feature can only be used on certain abilities otherwise you will cancel the ability immediately (e.g. you wouldn't want to spam Invisibility or you will cancel the affect immediately after casting it). Fortunately the Nostromo configuration software allows you to configure keys individually, so for my Invis key I have it set to single press mode.

Another pro tip: the key configuration defaults to "press and hold" mode which acts as a generic keyboard in that your ability is triggered on the "up stroke" of the key, not when you press it. You can toggle the keys to "single press" mode and your ability will be triggered on the "down stroke" of the key instead, which offers slightly better response time.

I use the Nostromo for WoW as well as to control Ableton Live for performing live electronic music and visual projections. It has a loader app which can be configured to automatically load a different key setup profile depending on which application you currently have running. Needless to say my WoW setup and key mappings are different than the ones I use for music.

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Old 12/10/08, 11:51 AM   #457
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Here is what I use to play wow..

Logitech ChillStream Game Controller - Xbox 360 Style

Y - X - A - B are macros
trig1 and trig 2 change the bindings for yxba and each other.
If trig 1 is pressed and trig2 is pressed then yxab are buffs (my action bar changes depending on which trigger is pressed)

I use one stick to walk, the other keypad is used for targeting (/targetenemy I need to figure a better way of doing this for tanking, using focus or however)

the other stick is used for camera control.

Havn't found a use for start and select or the stick clicks yet...

I wonder if it is possible to cycle through enemies using the keypad *adds to list for testing*

left shoulder is for mount right shoulder is for health potions.

Last edited by Wayde : 12/10/08 at 1:18 PM. Reason: forgot shoulder buttons

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Old 12/10/08, 11:01 PM   #458
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The new Logitech G13 !


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Old 12/11/08, 3:23 AM   #459
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Well, with the advent of that G13, shown above in Ajuga's post, it looks like I might finally have a replacement for my old-style G15 after all these years. I have no doubt but that the keys are of the usual Logitech quality, but I'm curious about the d-stick.

An important note about this device as it relates to WoW: The Logitech G13 is Mac compatible right out of the box.

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Old 12/11/08, 3:53 AM   #460
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Originally Posted by Ajuga View Post

Ahhhhhhh crap, I just recently got used to my new Belkin N52te and then Logitech releases this. Appears to do everything the N52te does and more, it looks like I'll be trying to pawn my N52te off to a friend in the next couple of weeks.

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Old 12/13/08, 7:03 PM   #461
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Originally Posted by Irghen View Post
DOUBLE EDIT: Well, after further reading of the thread seems like this is a common problem with these mice, guess I'll try to do what GokieKS mentioned a bit back with the glue because right-clicking and moving right past some mobs while tanking is just a recipe for disaster.
You can also try using a small piece of electrical tape - usually a bit easier to get it on there than glue, and easily removable. And you can layer them as necessary to get the extra thickness you need.

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Old 12/15/08, 12:34 PM   #462
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Originally Posted by Ajuga View Post
Eh, while the idea is somewhat appealing, there aren't nearly enough buttons there for me. Also, I don't have enough room on my tiny desk for that, a keyboard (for gchat and whatnot) and my mouse.

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Old 12/15/08, 2:43 PM   #463
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Originally Posted by jfpro View Post
Got my WoW mouse last week, really not using it atm. Would like to, but I dont like the way the macros work, I am just wanting to cut and paste my macros into the mouse interface and it doesn't work that way......
How did you get yours? Seems like they are still pre-order?

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Old 12/16/08, 11:19 AM   #464
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Originally Posted by Equalizer View Post
How did you get yours? Seems like they are still pre-order?
Gamestop.com

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Old 12/16/08, 1:43 PM   #465
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I caved in and ordered an n52te over the weekend, waiting for it to arrive now.

I mouse turn, but keyboard strafe, so I think I'll keep the dpad set to movement for now, and try it out. If that isn't working, I'll just bind some of the actual keyboard buttons to wasd on the mouse and try it out by binding spells/abilities to the dpad.

I'm considering a gaming mouse, but I guess I'll wait for more steelseries/similar alternative reviews to pop up before I decide one way or another. I currently use a 4 button+scrollwheel mouse, with the button under my thumb being used as my push to talk, so I guess I would need to bind it to something else, so that I could free up my thumb for binds on other buttons and still be able to talk.

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Old 12/18/08, 9:09 AM   #466
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Originally Posted by Cthalupa View Post
I caved in and ordered an n52te over the weekend, waiting for it to arrive now.

I mouse turn, but keyboard strafe, so I think I'll keep the dpad set to movement for now, and try it out. If that isn't working, I'll just bind some of the actual keyboard buttons to wasd on the mouse and try it out by binding spells/abilities to the dpad.
D-pad movement on the n52te is fine, what people are complaining about is the use of the diagonals which I don't use. Actually with all the complaints about the n52te I was hesitant to order one but once it arrived I found out that it does everything that my old n52 did so I was happy. So far I the only complaint I have is that the non-slip feet are not enough to keep it from moving around your desk during heated battles.

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Old 12/18/08, 11:39 AM   #467
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Originally Posted by Gere View Post
D-pad movement on the n52te is fine, what people are complaining about is the use of the diagonals which I don't use. Actually with all the complaints about the n52te I was hesitant to order one but once it arrived I found out that it does everything that my old n52 did so I was happy. So far I the only complaint I have is that the non-slip feet are not enough to keep it from moving around your desk during heated battles.
Ah, I'm glad to hear that. I might have to try to find some sort of way to rig it so that it won't slip on my desk. Or at least make sure I'm calm enough that I don't push it around while fighting!

It gets here today, so I'm hoping to play around with it enough to get a bit of a feel for using it.

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Old 12/21/08, 6:48 PM   #468
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Belkin Nostromo n52te

I have to say that I love my Belkin. I don't use it much for movement, (though the S is tied to my backfacing D-pad switch, jump is tied to the Up switch, Ventrillo PTT key's tied to the down, and Alt modifier is to the forward).

The other keys are just basically 1-12 for me, with the round button being the control modifier. With 45 keys, I'm pretty satisfied. I was hesitant to get the te model. Looked like more glitz and flash, but I do like the improvements in the keys (shorter strokes / depression travel than the older model). The "joystick" I thought was worthless, but might be better for those who like to use it to move about. I flat out turned off the blue lights...just sucks power...and I'm cheap.

I use a Logitech G9 and like it a great deal, though the coating on the casing is peeling off. While it's unsightly, it still functions like a champ. I'm not a huge fan of using my center mouse buttons, either tilt or the center, but the wheel itself is a solid piece.

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Old 12/22/08, 4:09 AM   #469
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Originally Posted by supplicium View Post
Do people who use this have 3 arms?

Seriously, where do you place your hands? Mice, keyboard and that freaky thing?

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Old 12/22/08, 10:40 AM   #470
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Originally Posted by Led ++ View Post
Seriously, where do you place your hands? Mice, keyboard and that freaky thing?
Since you say "seriously," I will answer: mouse and "freaky thing" are where you place your hands. At first, most folk will say that there are too few buttons, yes? Proper action bar addons will support state shifting of a kind and that will allow you to put shift or ctrl on your mouse (I use the wheel tilt for that). That triples the number of actions under your left hand on the "freaky thing."

Further, I find that a lot of people will assume that WASD or ESDF must consume 4 buttons on the "freaky thing", but that's incorrect: there's a d-pad on the n52 (and on that new logitech device) which is just as natural for character movement for those of us that played console games anytime in the last 23 years.

It's extremely difficult to describe but highly addictive once you have played the game with 36-48 actionbuttons under your left hand. They don't even have to be visible on screen in the game. I keep 12 visible, the rest are shifted in only when I hold down the modifiers. This also leaves more fingers of the left hand free to "home" on actions rather than the WASD/ESDF method(s) that cost travel time when you're using your left fingers for movement and for actions. This also makes the (so far) best possible use of your thumb.

Give it a try sometime. Provided that the device makes proper use of your thumb, it really kicks butt.

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Old 12/22/08, 10:59 AM   #471
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Or map movement to mouse, combat abilities on the pad - you only need to lift your hands for typing something in chat.

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Old 12/22/08, 12:06 PM   #472
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meh, Think I'll just stick with my ZQSD for running around and bind everything from 1 to 5, shift 1 to 5. A, E, R, T, F, C and all these with shift to.
Mousebutton 4 and 5, shift and ctrl mousebutton 4 and 5. And F1 to F4.

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Old 12/22/08, 12:23 PM   #473
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Originally Posted by Led ++ View Post
meh, Think I'll just stick with my ZQSD for running around and bind everything from 1 to 5, shift 1 to 5. A, E, R, T, F, C and all these with shift to.
Mousebutton 4 and 5, shift and ctrl mousebutton 4 and 5. And F1 to F4.
That is, of course, your prerogative. You're still ending up 22 buttons short, and unable to instantly activate any more than 2 buttons if you're chasing something (as a melee class, for example).

I'm not suggesting that your setup is bad; I'm suggesting that the device that was being discussed can be used better than what you might initially think when you look at it from a fixed viewpoint.

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Old 12/22/08, 2:12 PM   #474
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After using the Steelseries WoW mouse for a few weeks, I'm back to using my mx518.

I don't like the software. No ability to bind buttons to mouse4 and mouse5, no ability to bind keyboard buttons directly to mouse buttons, and it's fairly clunky feeling also. (but that last part is subjective, I'm pretty utilitarian)

Holding right click disables certain buttons. Middle mouse is my vent PTT key, and it doesn't work while holding right click. Same for two of the buttons on the left. This leaves the 4-way analog pad on the left, but two of those buttons (the vertical ones) are a pain in the ass to hit regularly. The analog pad in general is a bit of a pain because of the way it's angled, and you have to push directly on the direction you want. It's shitty to have to press multiple times to get it to go. I don't really like the buttons directly below the mousewheel either, and prefer the mx518's button above and button below. I can't really hit the buttons on the right side of the mouse with enough consistency to put important abilites there.

I mean, it works as advertised, but I prefer a simpler mx518 that is much more consistent. Also, I'm just not so hot on the "big mouse" idea... I just don't like the way it feels in my hand.

Anyone wanna buy it from me? :|

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Old 12/22/08, 2:25 PM   #475
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Originally Posted by Zibro View Post
Holding right click disables certain buttons.
That right there just made the thing useless. I'll stick with the mx1000 until some designer learns how awesome it is.

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