Hardware Interface -- Keyboards and Mice - Page 20

Led ++ · 12/22/08, 4:58 PM

Originally Posted by wyldbill

That is, of course, your prerogative. You're still ending up 22 buttons short, and unable to instantly activate any more than 2 buttons if you're chasing something (as a melee class, for example).

I'm not suggesting that your setup is bad; I'm suggesting that the device that was being discussed can be used better than what you might initially think when you look at it from a fixed viewpoint.

Perhaps, but I have no problems keybinding every skill I actually need for my classes. Only my DK now is getting a bit to much of skills which you actually constantly need. Nothing I cant work with tho.

Malkeir · 12/23/08, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by Zibro

Anyone wanna buy it from me? :|

How much?

Using a MX 518 at the moment but about to get something new, would like a few more buttons. I hear the steel series software is not to flash though?

Helim · 12/27/08, 6:43 AM

I get annoyed with the way wow handles targeting or casting a spell when you click a mouse button or a key..

WoW targets stuff or starts casting only when you release the mouse button or the key on the keyboard not when you press down.

I want that an action starts right NOW as soon as i press a button, not when i release it.
It's waste of latency.

Is there any solution for this ?

Ajuga · 12/27/08, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Helim

WoW targets stuff or starts casting only when you release the mouse button or the key on the keyboard not when you press down.

I want that an action starts right NOW as soon as i press a button, not when i release it.
It's waste of latency.

I agree. Everything counts. The solution would be sending both a 'press' and a 'release' when pressing a button and send nothing when releasing. You'd of course not do this for every button since movement keys would stop working aswell as mouseclick-dragging and modifiers. They all require you to hold the button down, so 'releasing' them immediately will cause them to do nothing at all.

So this would only (but most importantly) work for spells and abilities you've bound to keys on your keyboard (ie. the default 0-9) or extra keys on your mouse (not Left and Right).

How to do this? Hmm.. You'd most likely need to reprogram* all keys you'd want to use to keys that are not bound or recognized in WoW. Then bind these keys through an application** to send a key press and release for ie. the '1' key. Voila!

* Else you'll send the same key twice. Once with your keyboard and once with the app. Problem is, though, that a normal keyboard can't be reprogrammed easily, so you need a programmable gamepad. Your mouse shouldn't be a problem though - if it has extra buttons you'll likely be able to reprogram them.
** HotKeyNet for example.

Test results will follow when I get my hands on a G13

Octaviann · 12/27/08, 12:21 PM

I know that on the n52 if you wanted to do that you could use the software that it comes with to bind a key to press and release when the key is pressed down.

DaelynTH · 12/27/08, 1:01 PM

Originally Posted by Zerchi

WTB ergonomic/split/"Natural"/whateveryouwanttocallit version of the G15 =/

Also, I realize the thread title says keyboards and mice, but I feel compelled to point out this headset while on the topic of peripherals, the plantronics cs50:

It's another pricey item but the sound quality is top notch and it has a 300 foot range so I can walk around untethethered even outside while "AFK" and still hear Ventrilo during raids. It has 8 hours of talk time which is more than enough for raiding but probably not enough for a full day pvp'ing but it charges fairly quickly. There's also a new version, the cs55, which has a couple more hours talk time. The noise cancelling mic tech is great too. I run game sound via normal speakers (and/or have tv/music cranked up) and it doesn't translate through when speaking.

I'm glad someone has brought up headsets and its next on my list for purchasing. I'm currently using a Creative Fata1ty Gaming Headset. Great sound from it, but the downside is that it's very heavy. I'm looking for suggestions for an alternative.

syeren · 12/27/08, 4:46 PM

Originally Posted by DaelynTH

I'm glad someone has brought up headsets and its next on my list for purchasing. I'm currently using a Creative Fata1ty Gaming Headset. Great sound from it, but the downside is that it's very heavy. I'm looking for suggestions for an alternative.

Pretty much ANY headset from Sennheiser will serve it's purpose above and beyond expectations.

I personally don't use a Headset, but use a pair of HD555 Headphones with my Mic from my Icemat Siberia :p

Sennheiser Worldwide - PC Headset, computer Headset -

For a selection of the Headsets available from Sennheiser.

Ajuga · 12/28/08, 7:24 AM

Originally Posted by Octaviann

I know that on the n52 if you wanted to do that you could use the software that it comes with to bind a key to press and release when the key is pressed down.

I guess a G13 would be able to do that too, so you wouldn't have to use another app to broadcast keys.

righ · 12/28/08, 8:41 AM

Originally Posted by Helim

I get annoyed with the way wow handles targeting or casting a spell when you click a mouse button or a key..

WoW targets stuff or starts casting only when you release the mouse button or the key on the keyboard not when you press down.

I want that an action starts right NOW as soon as i press a button, not when i release it.
It's waste of latency.

Is there any solution for this ?

I have Razer Lycosa

With its drivers you can set macro to any key. I tried press release at key press, but it didnt work very well in wow. Just didnt felt any faster then without. And it bugged from time to time. Anyway its pretty good keyboard, only downside is that rubber on keys. It wears off faster then i expected. AWD shift and space are clean :/

Ajuga · 12/28/08, 6:34 PM

Originally Posted by righ

With its drivers you can set macro to any key. I tried press release at key press, but it didnt work very well in wow. Just didnt felt any faster then without. And it bugged from time to time.

Does anything happen if you hold down the key for a while? If no, then what happens when you release?

Did you try with a short delay between press and release? (Remember, this is illegal)

Oaken · 12/29/08, 1:58 AM

Originally Posted by wyldbill

Further, I find that a lot of people will assume that WASD or ESDF must consume 4 buttons on the "freaky thing", but that's incorrect: there's a d-pad on the n52 (and on that new logitech device) which is just as natural for character movement for those of us that played console games anytime in the last 23 years.

I have an N52te and I don't use it - I find the d-pad too sloppy for use moving. I was hoping it would be a replacement for my old Microsoft Strategic Commander but it lacks the flexibility of Microsoft's older product. Imagine, if you will, that the N52te could be mounted on its own base and that you could push the N52te in any of the compass directions and map that to your movement keys - you gain the power of a d-pad without occuping your thumb. That's a Strategic Commander.

Octaviann · 12/29/08, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Ajuga

Did you try with a short delay between press and release? (Remember, this is illegal)

No, this is not illegal because you still have 1 key press equaling 1 action that could be performed in game by 1 key press normally.

wyldbill · 12/29/08, 1:01 PM

Originally Posted by Oaken

I have an N52te and I don't use it - I find the d-pad too sloppy for use moving. I was hoping it would be a replacement for my old Microsoft Strategic Commander but it lacks the flexibility of Microsoft's older product. Imagine, if you will, that the N52te could be mounted on its own base and that you could push the N52te in any of the compass directions and map that to your movement keys - you gain the power of a d-pad without occuping your thumb. That's a Strategic Commander.

I recall that device, it's the device I was looking for the day I found the N52 (not te, just N52) back in 2004. That feature would be an improvement, but it doesn't detract from the benefits of using the thumb properly on the existing devices that allow it: belkin's n52, saitek's cyborg, and logitech's G13.

• GokieKS · 12/29/08, 1:56 PM

Originally Posted by Zibro

no ability to bind keyboard buttons directly to mouse buttons

You can't set mouse buttons to keystroke combinations? Wow, that's a dealbreaker. At this point, I don't think I'll ever replace my G5 SE with anything other than yet another iteration of the same design from Logitech.

Trouble · 12/29/08, 2:27 PM

I just got this headset and it's the most comfortable headset I've ever worn. I've always been partial to Plantronics, but I've always gotten the cheap ones. This huge headset is heavy but extremely comfortable and durable.

Newegg.com - PLANTRONICS GameCom 367 3.5mm Circumaural Stereo Headset

Khassandra · 12/29/08, 10:52 PM

I just got my WoW mouse today. First impressions are meh, has good and bad points. It fits my hand really well, but as a female, I have somewhat smallish hands. I imagine it might feel a little small to guys with larger hands. The buttons are all easily reached without stretching except for the pinky buttons. Can't imagine anyone has a pinky finger long enough to reach that sucker without moving their hand off the mouse, its well past the tip of my finger. I can't even touch it.

The mouse itself feels pretty lightweight, but I was using a MS Sidewinder with most of the weighs in it. It feels sturdy, though. The blinking lights are pretty but not something I would buy a mouse for, and to be honest, I'm finding them a little distracting. I'll have to see if I can turn them off or make the blinking less noticeable. It keeps drawing my eye over to the side, distracting me from what's going on in the game.

I do love all of the buttons, though. Its been hard finding a mouse with enough buttons to suit me. Mapping them using their software was a little iffy until I finally figured out what to do. Documentation is definitely lacking.

My biggest problem right now is trying to figure out how to use it with anything other than WoW. For instance, when I use my browser, I normally have mouse buttons bound to Back and Forward functions. Haven't figured out how to do that yet with this mouse. I also need to figure out if I can adjust the scroll on it, because its defaulting to scroll a few lines at a time and I prefer to scroll by screen.

So I'm currently using an N52te and WoW mouse with my laptop, set up on an Airdesk. Would I recommend the WoW mouse? Currently, I would balk at recommending due to the expense. If I can figure out how to make it do what I need it to do, I may be able to recommend it. Until then, despite having a sufficient number of buttons for my desires, it just isn't worth the cost.

EDIT: Ok, figured out how to make it work with the browser. You have to create another profile as though you were making one for another toon. In the Profile drop down box, choose Edit Game/App., then set one up for your browser's exe file. I don't see a way to change the scroll amount though.

• GokieKS · 12/29/08, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Khassandra

My biggest problem right now is trying to figure out how to use it with anything other than WoW. For instance, when I use my browser, I normally have mouse buttons bound to Back and Forward functions. Haven't figured out how to do that yet with this mouse. I also need to figure out if I can adjust the scroll on it, because its defaulting to scroll a few lines at a time and I prefer to scroll by screen.

...

EDIT: Ok, figured out how to make it work with the browser. You have to create another profile as though you were making one for another toon. In the Profile drop down box, choose Edit Game/App., then set one up for your browser's exe file. I don't see a way to change the scroll amount though.

How I've been using my Logitech mice is use the two buttons to Alt-Right and Alt-Left, and then just also using that as a keybind in WoW for whatever button/ActionID. But if what was said about the WoW mouse not letting you do that is correct... there's just no way I could use it.

syeren · 12/30/08, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by GokieKS

How I've been using my Logitech mice is use the two buttons to Alt-Right and Alt-Left, and then just also using that as a keybind in WoW for whatever button/ActionID. But if what was said about the WoW mouse not letting you do that is correct... there's just no way I could use it.

You can; you have to set up application profiles like you do in the Logitech drivers in order to do different functions in different applications, while it can be considered annoying by some people, I find it to be a plus :p

Rugrud · 12/30/08, 9:43 AM

Originally Posted by GokieKS

You can't set mouse buttons to keystroke combinations?

You can. You just bind a macro on the button you want, the macro being "ctrl =" or whatever you want. Then you bind them in game to whatever you want. No problem with that.
The only problem is really you can't use well some buttons while holding the right button. Get a few hours getting used to releasing the right button when you don't need it, but that's manageable, and the mouse itself is nice, especially the numbers of buttons available.

righ · 12/30/08, 12:17 PM

Theres the menu of Lycosas macro thing:

There's plenty of options, I didnt play with commands. You can set macro to every day. I tried with and without delay, but it was off somehow. Maybe Im just too used to how it works now.

Mordekhuul · 12/31/08, 1:47 PM

Something I've found quite handy with my logitech g5 (I believe) mouse is to configure the thumb button to act as the "alt" key when I'm in game.

As a fanatic keybinder that refuses to mouse point and click for any ability on my prot paladin (I have some 40-50 hotkeys I can hit without taking my left hand off of normal typing position or my right hand off the mouse), this made it very easy for me to have alt- versions of most of my common hotkeys.

Regular keys my left hand can reach from normal typing position were already gobbled up and used for abilities, and shift- versions of most of those are easy to hit with the left hand as well, but binding alt- to the thumb button of my mouse opened up alt- versions of most of those, which gives you a lot of options and room for extra bindings.

Aximous · 01/02/09, 1:03 PM

I'm planning on buying a g5 mouse, is there anyone who could has it and could give me some feedback wheter it's worth buying or not?

Sh4d0wM4ZT3R · 01/03/09, 8:51 AM

Originally Posted by Aximous

I'm planning on buying a g5 mouse, is there anyone who could has it and could give me some feedback wheter it's worth buying or not?

It's a terrible mouse because it uses Logitech's shit lazer technology. If you use a low sensitivity it will malfunction at higher speeds. It also breaks pretty fast for some people. Just buy MX518 if you like the shape of G5. The G-series mice are for stupid nerds who think the more DPI = the better mouse. :P

Onoraa · 01/03/09, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Sh4d0wM4ZT3R

It's a terrible mouse because it uses Logitech's shit lazer technology. If you use a low sensitivity it will malfunction at higher speeds. It also breaks pretty fast for some people. Just buy MX518 if you like the shape of G5. The G-series mice are for stupid nerds who think the more DPI = the better mouse. :P

I own both a G5 and a G9, both of which i bought for fps games. They both function well in this role, and fine like any other mouse in WoW. To be honest, if you only play WoW i wouldn't bother with a higher end mouse.

Waitwaitokgo · 01/04/09, 1:21 AM

I want that an action starts right NOW as soon as i press a button, not when i release it.
It's waste of latency.

Is there any solution for this ?

A little mod was posted awhile back called "AutoHotKey". With this program you can setup macros and reprogram your keyboard to do certain functions when you press a key.

In your case, the press and release is the issue. As a healer, I find this an issue myself and wanted to improve my timing since I use click casting for most of my spells.

Once you download AutoHotKey, use this script I created for myself:

#ifWinActive World of Warcraft
{
$0::Suspend, toggle
$MButton::
   Loop  
   {
    if not GetKeyState("MButton", "P")
      break
     Send {MButton} 
     sleep 1
    }
return
$RButton::
   Loop  
   {
    if not GetKeyState("RButton", "P")
      break
     Send {RButton} 
     sleep 1
    }
return
$LButton::
   Loop  
   {
    if not GetKeyState("LButton", "P")
      break
     Send {LButton} 
     sleep 1
    }
return


}

The script will detect if WoW is open. You can turn the script On and Off by using the Zero key. (feel free to change the toggle if you want)

Effectively the script eliminated my press and release lag. I notice a quicker response and faster spell casting using this script. The script will perform several press and release actions quicker than you can do with your hand. It is coded for the left, right and middle mouse button click and release. I think you can edit the sleep time to make it even faster but i haven't tried.

of course you can program keys as well. Feel free to experiment.

Unfortunately I think this is against blizzard ToS and I do not recommend abusing/using these scripts. (i.e WSG flag clicking, AV afking, etc) Use at your own risk.