Macaroon can arrange bars in a half circle or circle formation.

Macaroon! : WoWInterface Downloads : Action Bar Mods

Roccat is saying that the Valo shouldn't have any keyblocks - Or at least that's how I'm reading it.

ROCCAT STUDIOS V2.0

"Anti-Ghosting capability for simultaneous keystrokes"


It isn't released yet, but Medusa is taking preorders for them with a listed shipping date of 3/31. Not sure if this is official, or just an arbitrary date.

Using the tip I received from Repeek, this is the UI I have created. All of the add-ons are pretty common ones (Xperl, Recount, Omen, Quest Helper). I used Macarooni to create the layout of my spells to match my Wolfking Gaming Pad (pictured in above posts) as accurately as possible. I placed the pet bar inside the circle. To the M, H, and N keys, I have bound Map (with Cartographer and Gatherer), Character Sheet, and my Talent trees respectively. O and B are Social Pane and Backpack and the two keys at the bottom serve as means of tabbing back and forth through nearby enemies (and nearby friends when shift is held down)

Everything is very compact leaving plenty of room for other add-ons and visibility. It has taken some getting used to but already this new piece of hardware with a home-made UI to match has improved my ability to play. I would definitely recommend Wolfking keyboards over simply using regular keyboards.

I would definitely like to make this layout a little prettier, but in terms of functionality, it works great.

I bought the keyboard on Ebay for $25.91.

I have been gaming for about 13 yrs and logitech has always been great to me, the G5 and G15 setup worked great but i wanted a change and when saitek came out with their Cyborg series, i decided to try them out.

So i got the Cyborg mouse and keyboard, i have had them now for 7 monthes and they wrok better then anything i have had. The keyboard has the w,s,a,d keys metal capped, it also has five different lighting setups, you can have the w,s,a,d keys green, the rest of the lettered part red, numpad orange and the arrow keys green as well as the macro keys yellow.

The mouse is a whole new monster, it has 6 buttons and a D-pad along with a motorized handsizer that you use in game to fit your hand (it is very cool to hear the sound it makes when using it)

The software is outdated which all saitek software always seems to be but other then that i give this setup a 9/10.

best setup i have ever had.

Well, tried searching these forums for a discussion of this problem but couldn't find anything, so here goes...

I've been using a Logitech MX518 mouse with their SetPoint software. Using SetPoint, I assigned keystrokes to the three buttons that cannot be set to "Generic" - the '<<' '>>' and application-switch buttons that are arranged near the scroll wheel. I have them set to numpad-1, numpad-3, and numpad-period. In WoW, I have these keystrokes assigned to action bar buttons.

Lately (and I wish I could say when it first started happening, but I haven't been that observant) I have noticed that at some point the keystroke assignments that I have made in SetPoint will revert to the default behavior of those buttons. For example, I have the '<<' button assigned to numpad-3, which is assigned to my Ghost Wolf button. The default assignment is to increase the mouse sensitivity. After playing for a bit, I'll try to pop into ghost wolf and instead my mouse sensitivity increases.

It's not that SetPoint is forgetting the assignments - I've alt-tabbed back to my desktop, verified that SetPoint is still running in the systray, open it up to check the options, and my keystroke assignments are all intact. They just aren't effective for whatever reason. Highlighting one of them and pressing the same key on the keyboard and clicking 'OK' to dismiss SetPoint is enough to kick-start the whole thing into working again (oddly though, hitting "Apply" is not effective, nor is hitting "OK" without resetting at least one keystroke assignment even if it's to the same key it's already assigned to). Can then alt-tab back to wow and enjoy my button assignments without restarting or anything. But then, anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour later, it happens again.

This has become fairly constant in recent weeks. Has anyone experienced similar issues? Can you recommend a solution?

I'm running Vista Ultimate, up to date with all MS updates. I installed the latest version of the SetPoint software yesterday but the behavior remains.

Make sure you are running all the effected software as administrator. If one is left out then it will not be able to access the others

I have gotten a G13 and after about 4 weeks I am up to the speed with it that I had on my old n52. The extra 4 keys and two thumb buttons are very useful, and the analog stick is miles ahead of the n52's d-pad for movement. I reccomend it to anyone who uses an n52 that's seen better days.

I've been using the Razer Deathadder for 6 months now, and I've grown to love it. The two side buttons on the side allows you to bind two important spells in WoW, easily accessible by your thumb. It runs at 1800dpi, which is fast enough for me. One thing to remember is to download the drivers from the website to ensure it is the most up to date.

Whilst it is an old model, it is most definately affordable at only $59.99.

My Logitech G13 arrived yesterday. I am now starting my transition from a clicker to a keybinder. I must say I am having good success after only 1 night. Im using the joystick for movement; Ive keybinded the main G keys to F1-F12, 1-0. I am planning ot incoporate a shift key modifier into my sidewinder buttons when i get hang of it.

What I am now looking for is a good bar mod to give me 3 layouts of the G13. That requires 12 bars and bartender4 only has 10. Anyone know of any bar mods that will work for me. Ideally I would like the bars to be faded slighlty and only there for reference; i.e. not clickable.

Cheers,

CP-MAX

Unfortunately CP, I don't think its possible to get 12 bars of 12 button, or even more than 10 bars of less than 12 buttons anymore. Back when I used Bongos3, i could, if i wanted have 120 bars of one single button. But more to your point, I believe that the WoW engine only recognizes 120 buttons so you may have to get a little more creative to get your layouts like you want them.

I'm another suffering trackball fanatic. My Microsoft Trackball Explorer is on its last legs. The tiny metal bearings inside are almost flat (yeah, they're metal bearings, worn flat by a glossy plastic optical ball, that's impressive!) and the plastic is beginning to crack in spots from years of hard gaming.

I honestly attribute much of my success in various games (especially FPS) to my trackball. I don't have to "paw" (when you have to pick up the mouse and bring it to the center of your pad since you've run out of space), and the level of precision I can get with the flick of a finger instead of my entire wrist is something I just am not willing to forfeit.

I've owned countless mice, but I don't game with them. Web-browsing etc, thats fine. But the day my Trackball dies and I cannot find another in good condition, a part of me will die inside.

I don't want one of those other pieces of junk on the market. I want another Trackball Explorer. Has plenty of buttons to map, scrollwheel, and is comfortable to use. All the other trackballs out there that I've seen are too boxy and simple.

If there are any other Trackball freaks out there like me who have some advice, let me know. I'm considering picking up a used Explorer on eBay, but I don't want to get one that's already been too worn in. I'm sure I'm not alone when I wonder why in heck Microsoft discontinued those products, I've never been a fan of Microsoft but I've never been more satisfied with an input peripheral!

@ brentsg

I have my G13 setup to only use one profile always. You can play with the profile settings in Settings > Profiler... > Profile. I use "persistent profile".

Btw I'm also using Vista64 and have had no problems yet with this setup.

I use a G15 and a MX518 with the standard layout,but e,q,f and x bound to the bars instead of the functions.
together with shift modifier this supplies me enough buttons the effectively raid.
The mat i use is a Steel Series Quick mat,quite big and thick,and feels nice under my hand.
Headset in a Speed-link Medusa,the worst decision in my whole life.
Huge,heavy and the crappiest microphone i've ever spoken into,all along with a heavy pricetag of about 65 euros then.
so right now i am thinking about buying a plantronics headset,i have the audio355 in mind,sounds like it is a lot lighter and plantronics really makes great headsets in general.

Thank you, I am anxious to give this a try!

I have the same mouse as you, and was at first annoyed that the sensitivity-buttons couldn't be reassigned to generic mousebuttons, like the ones on the side, but I fixed this by giving them keystroke assignments 7 and 9, so i could use those buttons to hit whatever i had assigned to 7 and 9, plus shiftcombinations. Very nice, thought I'd point it out, since i interpreted your post as them serving no purpose to you.

I had the same problem with my MX518, the "increase/decrease sensitivity" seemed to supersede the keystrokes i had assigned (F6, F7 buttons) if the sensitivity wasn't at the extreme that the button could change sensitivity to.

However after i changed in SetPoint to only use 1 sensitivity they have worked just fine.

Open SetPoint, choose "Mouse game settings" tab, click the futuristic "advanced game settings" and choose only 1 of the 5 sensitivity settings available. Hope it helps.

Aside from my trackball dilemma I posted earlier (damn you Microsoft, bring us back our Trackball Explorers!), I just ran into another discontinued Microsoft product that has a lot of potential in WoW.

I was visiting my father the other day, and started digging through a box of old peripherals I had sitting around. Inside, I found a gem I'd almost forgotten about; the Microsoft Sidewinder Strategic Commander.



It really isn't like anything else I can describe. It can be roughly described as a joystick / mouse for your left hand. It consists of a rather large base on top of which is a sliding "mouse" that has a limited travel, and is self-centering. On top of this mouse are 6 backlit buttons in 2 rows of 3, with two small additional buttons near your index finger for zooming in and out. At your thumb are 3 other buttons which are "Shift" modifier keys for the top 6 buttons.

The idea of this device is primarily for camera control and key macroing in RTS games. Each of the 6 buttons on top is programmable either through the software that comes with the device (which doesn't work with Vista unless you do some tinkering), or manually (which I'll get to in a bit). The buttons can be configured to do any combination of keystrokes, including full macros of key combos, including pauses. So yes, with one click you could have your character pull off an entire rotation of casts or abilities.

With the 6 keys on top and the 3 Shift Modifier keys, you have a total of 24 mappable keypresses / macros. You can also map the 2 zoom buttons as well. The device also has a Z-axis, allowing you to twist the "mouse" part of the device to rotate your character or the camera, though I find this rather inaccurate. Obviously, you can move your character by sliding the device around, but since movement feels analog, but is in fact digital, (as in, once you move out of the "dead zone" on the device, you begin moving immediately as if you were pressing a movement key), it takes some getting used to. But, ultimately it solves the problem of having to use any buttons for movement at all.

Additionally, on the bottom of the device is a 3-way switch that lets you throw the device immediately into an entirely different set of keymaps. I now have seperate PVP, PVE, and Travel keymaps set up. The only difference between PVP and PVE is that PVP does not contain any rotations, only relevant PVP abilities, while the PVE config has PVP abilities removed and replaced with some short rotations. Travel config simply has keybinds for up (jump), down (sit), mount/dismount, etc.

Lastly, (but not least), the device has a "Rec" button set in the base that allows you to remap any key at any time without having to go into the device software. If you unmap one of the top buttons, it goes dim, and will blink as you are remapping it. In this manner, if I decide I want all 4 of my totems I choose to drop in a certain order with 1 button click, I simply press "Rec", select the button I want to map to (and any Shift key that may be applicable), and it will begin to flash. I can then drop the 4 totems I want (using the keyboard), and press "Rec" again. The button will light up solid. Next time I press this mapped button, it will drop the 4 totems exactly as I did when recorded the macro.

I think this is absolutely amazing, particularly for PVE. Why Microsoft would discontinue making such a device is beyond me, (and my Trackball Explorer too, WTF?!)

My only complaint is that since the device is essentially a sliding joystick, you lose a certain amount of precision and reaction time because it has a certain amount of "throw" before the device activates or re-centers. In PVP you simply cannot switch directions as quickly as you could if you were tapping directional keys. You can still maintain good control, but it is an unavoidable limitation. I've still had some very successful bouts in BG with this configuration, but I would not recommend it for Arena or any other PVP situation where your positional reaction time needs to have virtually no delay.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to write a book, but this device, which I've only used a day now, has turned out to be very useful in PVE, and I'm still growing accustomed to using it. I have effectively 26 (theoretically 78 if you use the 3-way profile switch) keymaps and key macros at my fingertips without the interference of movement keys.

If you've got one of these lying around (or know someone who does), PM me and I'll tell you how to make it work in Vista.

@Electrofreak
Just a heads up - that record thingy does seem like it would run into the whole "one click, one key press" thing that Blizzard espouses. Really cool looking device, though!

I ditched the MX Revolution after the battery died in middle of a raid and I had no way to continue. This is now two worthless wireless mice I have with non replaceable batteries that won't hold a charge anymore. I won't make that mistake again.

I got the MX1100 to replace it. It's a little bigger and not quite as comfortable for my smallish hand. The forward button is a stretch and I'll have to assign it to something I don't need to hit frequently in combat. Overall it's more plasticky and cheaper feeling than the Revolution. On the positive side the hidden button is nice and the wheel button is more reliable. The wheel button on the Revolution would occasionally not register.

The MX1100 was part of a keyboard/mouse package. It's a little different from the standalone MX1100 in that it has a USB plug to internally charge a replaceable AA battery. It can be recharged while I'm using it or I can put a regular AA in it.

Has anyone stuck with using the joystick on the G13 for movement? I just couldn't get things set up in a way I like. I still keyboard turn sometimes (gasp!) because I'm click healing and I need to spin while I continue casting. Having my thumb control both jump and movement is a problem. With my Hunter it's the opposite problem. If I map jump to a main finger then it's hard to execute an instant shot during a jump/spin shoot.

I'm curious to hear how others have set it up.

I really wanted this mouse to work for me but it's way too big. Caveat emptor if you don't have large hands.

Try binding jump to your mouse, preferably a thumb button.

ve heard some of my guildies talking about a Logitech G13 and a Belkin n52 keypads which they play WoW with and were saying they'd never go back.

I have a new iMac and I use the new slim keyboard and I don't have any problems with it, although when I do PvP, it is quite difficult to not be a "clicker."

What I'd like to know is do these things make a bug difference? (I do PvE)

Do they work well on Mac?

Do they work well with Hunters?

Valiloramov, I use the n52te with my Macbook Pro, and I love it. I could post a link of (or PM you) my UI and talk some about bindings and macros I use with it if you want. The bars in my UI mirrors my bindings and the shape of the controller's number keys, so re-doing the layout and remembering where my abilities are located is very intuitive now. It's really made my life easier - I have about 30 bindings comfortably available to my fingers at any given time - which has made me a much stronger Priest, especially in PVP.

It did take me about 2 weeks to feel really comfortable, as I made the switch to having all my movement controlled by my mouse and the d-pad for the thumb on the n52te (which I highly recommend). Once I got over that hump, I was able to get a lot more advanced with actual gameplay. Being able to cast any number of abilities without doing any finger gymnastics made me able to focus on tactics rather than remembering what ability was where on my keyboard.

I do have a hunter alt (only level 44 BM at the moment, I think), but all the same thoughts apply; having all your abilities comfortably and intuitively available to you lets you focus on tactics and rotation rather than where the abilities are on the keyboard.

The initial setup for the device was simple and it shows up under the "Other" section in System Preferences on my Mac.