Hardware Interface -- Keyboards and Mice - Page 25

diospadre · 09/16/09, 10:58 AM

Kind of stupid that they put the macro keys between the function keys and the rest.

Kemortia · 09/20/09, 1:52 AM

I don't remember seeing this keyboard in the thread, but this is what I use:

It's an awesome keyboard, replaced my G15 with it. I find the button layout so much more useful then a standard keyboard. The Z-Engine lets you bind the keys on the left to anything you want, if the default doesn't fit. So it's incredibly easy to hit binds like control-9 or whatever, which is neigh impossible on a standard keyboard. Quality seems good too, which was my only concern when I bought it since the Z-board keyboards seemed like cheap pieces of crap. If you're looking for a better keyboard, I really recommend this one.

Edit to add:
Here's a picture of how I had mine set up as of a couple of months ago. Some stuff has changed, but not a whole lot.

Vim · 09/23/09, 10:27 PM

Ive been using the G13, G16, G35 and the MX Revolution for quite awhile now, and have been very please so far. Now that I am into Arena a lot more, I have need for another bar state shift (using shift and alt atm).I tried to set up the one touch-search button as my ctrl using the set-point options, and it will not do anything but one touch-search unless I uninstall the software and reinstall it before any session. (it reverts anytime my comp goes into sleep mode or restarts.) Does anyone have a solution for this? Ive searched for several days now,but all I come across is forums with people asking the same question, but no answers.

Stel · 09/24/09, 9:14 AM

Vim : Have you tried using UberOptions ? Theses ones allow quite a lot of customisation of the various buttons on logitech devices.
Hope it helps.

Vim · 09/24/09, 11:08 AM

I was leary about using a program like that to fix the issue, but since Logitechs software sucks, I gave it a try and it seems to fix the mapping issue I was having. Thank you.

Reventrant · 09/24/09, 6:43 PM

The Steelseries WoW Mouse is actually supported by Blizzard now. I was able to bind all 15 buttons in game to my action bars with Bartender. There is a check box for it in the Features section of the game menu.

Kemortia · 10/02/09, 5:18 PM

Well, I got my Razor Naga today (Amazon.com rocks as usual), and I have to say it's pretty comfortable. I ran around killing some random scourge in Icecrown and it's pretty easy to use. For those curious, you can set the 12 thumb buttons to be either 1,2,3,etc or the numeric keypad. So you can bind 1-12 on the mouse to whatever, and then have 1-+ on the keyboard for other abilities. Pretty nice.

My only complaint so far would be that I have average sized man hands I think, and I think hitting the 10, 11, and 12 thumb buttons is probably going to be a little difficult to train myself to do. It's tough to quickly bend my thumb as much as is required. A very minor complaint.

Repeek · 10/04/09, 12:09 AM

How responsive are the keys? Does pushing the keys in jostle the mouse much?

Kemortia · 10/04/09, 1:19 AM

I'd say they got the responsiveness of the buttons down pretty much perfectly. They take just the right amount of force to push. Enough that you're not constantly pushing them on accident, but not so much that you're moving the mouse around trying to get the button down.

I took some pictures for size comparison. I apologize for the shitty image quality, my camera's battery was dead so I had to use the crappy camera on my iPhone. Comparison mice are my Old Logitech MX Revolution and Logitech G7.

koaschten · 10/04/09, 11:19 AM

I still wonder how you are supposed to hit 10, 11 and 12.

Noraj · 10/04/09, 4:01 PM

Originally Posted by koaschten

I still wonder how you are supposed to hit 10, 11 and 12.

It looks to me like 1-9 should be pressed with the tip of your thumb as you'd expect, but personally, I would depress 10-12 with the area of my thumb just below the joint. Just a sort of squeeze rather than bending and pressing.

Honestly though now that I've seen comparison pictures, the Naga is smaller than I'd imagined.

Is the official WoW mod for it worth using?

Kemortia · 10/08/09, 10:28 PM

I haven't tried the addon for the Naga. It seems completely pointless to me, since you can already do all the bindings you'd need without using it. Just seems like wasted addon memory to me =X Don't see any benefit to using it.

vbishop · 10/09/09, 6:16 PM

Originally Posted by Krames

I just bought the updated G15 for myself. I love it to death. I think the G19 looks pretty sweet, but an extra $100 for a color screen and custom back-light color doesn't seem worth it to me.

I'm also loving my Logitech MX518 mouse.

I was thinking of getting the new G15, but the blue of the 1st-version matches the blue glow from my tower. Obsessive and redundant, yes. However, I like matching colours.

The increased price tag on the G19 is definitely making me hesitate - you do raise a good point about the small differences between them.

How do you find the quality of Logitech mice? My mouse has gotten worn out very quickly visually. It still works well for now and it's been a while now since I've used my old-school Logitech Trackball.

Ambika · 10/13/09, 3:47 PM

Trackballs are amazing. I had to stockup on my Microsoft Optical Trackball (they still go for almost $80) as they don't make them any longer. I find the twitchiness to be amazing and I'm not traversing all over the world to do anything. Furthermore I tried using a mouse but it's so cramped. I have large hands and the trackball fills my palms perfectly. These new mice are so small my hand got cramped and I had to shelve it as I just couldn't use it.

Summary: Big mice are great, trackballs are awesome. Why they stopped making them who knows.

vbishop · 10/13/09, 4:03 PM

Originally Posted by Ambika

Trackballs are amazing. I had to stockup on my Microsoft Optical Trackball (they still go for almost $80) as they don't make them any longer. I find the twitchiness to be amazing and I'm not traversing all over the world to do anything. Furthermore I tried using a mouse but it's so cramped. I have large hands and the trackball fills my palms perfectly. These new mice are so small my hand got cramped and I had to shelve it as I just couldn't use it.

Summary: Big mice are great, trackballs are awesome. Why they stopped making them who knows.

I used my trackball mouse for gaming for a while. Sadly, I was mocked at LAN parties and my boyfriend kept stealing the ball out of my trackball at very inconvenient times.

Now that I have not used it, though, I've grown too accustomed to the 5 buttons on my current mouse. I don't know if I'd ever be able to go back to a trackball mouse.

Balkaz · 10/14/09, 12:43 AM

Picked up a G13 today after noticing that the office's AutoCAD grunt had one attached to his workstation. I messed around with building ladder logic with it, and decided I had to have one for home. Paired with a 2nd gen G5 and a 1st gen G15, I've suddenly got more mappable buttons than I know what to do with, and two LCD screens of additional information. It was quite pleasantly surprised to see how well the software handles having multiple Game Panels available.

Also, I've got big hands with stiff fingers and had no problems with fitting mine on there. The joystick is every bit as terrible for movement as I thought it would be, but with a different trap bound to each of the four directions, it is quite handy. My only issue so far is retraining myself to reach left rather than up from the strafe keys to hit my primary attack binds. All in all, I like it so far.
In the long run, the crunch for desktop real estate will probably drive me to send my G15 out to pasture, or possible to the office where I can make use of 54 programmable keys for binding XIC, XOA, OTL, OTU, and a pile of other useful strings for RSLogix.

• Glayde · 10/16/09, 1:56 PM

The G110 from Logitech (updated g11) looks pretty nice.

Logitech launches G110 gaming keyboard - Pocket-lint

pictures of the g110(upper left) and g11

I have the G11 atm but it's annoyingly 'tall' not letting me slide my keyboard tray in or have much wrist rest room in front of it. The G110 looks like it gets rid of the upper portion of the keyboard above the function keys. It loses a few G keys but those are on the far left side and hardest to reach.

Also the new features seem like they'll clean up some wire clutter from user<->computer.

Emolate · 10/16/09, 2:02 PM

Originally Posted by Ambika

Summary: Big mice are great, trackballs are awesome. Why they stopped making them who knows.

They didn't.

Kensington Europe - control it - Trackballs

Several options from Kensington. I use the Optical Expert Mouse Wheel trackball.

Noraj · 10/17/09, 10:39 PM

It loses a few G keys but those are on the far left side and hardest to reach.

That's exactly the reason I can't be bothered to upgrade from my original model G15: The constantly changing sets of extra keys. All of my abilities are on those keys during regular gameplay. Even my hidden bars that use the SHIFT modifier are easily reachable by hitting shift with my thumb and the top six G buttons with my fingers.

The G19 drops down to 12 buttons, but more cramped due to only having two columns rather than three, while the price goes up considerably due to the advanced screen.
The revised G15 for some unthinkable reason sank from 18 G keys down to a mere six, now in a single column. Same price, fewer buttons, no real improvement.
The G11 went back to the original G15 layout, but axed the led / lcd panel with a slight price drop.
Now we're back to the G19's 12 button layout, but without the viewscreen and the same basic pricing as the G11 in the new G110 but again with no real improvement to the keyboard itself save for a USB2.0 connection and an extra headset jack.

It's a testament to the quality of Logitech's keyboards that I've been using mine for as long as I have (my previous keyboard was made in 1984 by IBM, so it still has a ways to go to catch up), but it's also frustrating to constantly hear about newer models that instead of improving on existing functionality end up doing nothing new and sometimes taking a step backwards.

If you don't have one of the Logitech gaming keyboards already, I'd say definitely go for a G110. If you do though, why upgrade unless you just want more keys? If that's all you want, why not just find an original G15 for a cheaper price tag?

Kaubel · 10/20/09, 8:21 PM

OK, that's enough. From here on I don't want to see anymore "Here's what I use. I like it a lot!" posts when you have absolutely nothing else to add or contribute. Seriously. You've been warned.

Led ++ · 11/07/09, 8:42 AM

For me a mouse has to be simple and not confusing. 357053 buttons is to much imo, therefore I think the Xai from the steelseries will be the best mouse for me.

Information - SteelSeries

Simple design, all teh buttons you need and nothing more.

Allev · 11/07/09, 7:16 PM

There's a new OpenOfficeMouse...

I think I still have my heart set on the Razer Naga for my multi-buttonness, as I've been looking for better thumb functionality (my best right-handed digit, as I'm a lefty who mouses with my right).

siegfried · 11/07/09, 9:19 PM

That OO mouse looks extremely silly....

Noraj · 11/09/09, 1:45 AM

There is a Specification Matrix up to compare that OOMouse to many of the others already listed in this thread. Surprisingly, it only has one more button than the Razer Naga, while having better specs overall and a lower price tag.

One of the more interesting features is the analog joystick it adds to the right-thumb portion of the mouse. What role if any could there be for such a control inside WoW? Any ideas here, or do you think it's probably going to be relegated to the other types of software the mouse is actually designed for (ie, not games)?

Starfox · 11/09/09, 5:50 AM

Originally Posted by Noraj

There is a Specification Matrix up to compare that OOMouse to many of the others already listed in this thread. Surprisingly, it only has one more button than the Razer Naga, while having better specs overall and a lower price tag.

One of the more interesting features is the analog joystick it adds to the right-thumb portion of the mouse. What role if any could there be for such a control inside WoW? Any ideas here, or do you think it's probably going to be relegated to the other types of software the mouse is actually designed for (ie, not games)?

Map your movementkeys to the stick? Some acclimatisation time and you can play mouse-only without being a clicker