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Old 03/27/08, 12:49 PM   #226
Unaz
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Originally Posted by Mogwai View Post
We had issues with Bigwigs not picking up Parasites for Illidan this week (just post-2.4), its something of a shock getting people to actually pay attention to their debuffs.
Yeah, we had this issue, and the flame bursts were sending a warning message for *every* person in the raid, so had to disable that part. Also, there were inconsistant timers (sometimes non existant) for demon phase and flame burst. There were also no warnings for 80% of the dark barrages in phase 2. Also, the proximity window didn't show at all for the entirety of the fight.

I can start recording per-boss combat logs for BT if you still need them next week though.
 
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Old 03/27/08, 3:12 PM   #227
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Hey folks, there are a LOT of issues with BigWigs since 2.4 and I am fixing them asap as they flood in, but I can't really help at all without logs, so please see this thread [TBC] BigWigs Combat Log CheckList - 2.4 Damage

Originally Posted by Birdemani
Funky: I've been watching most of the updates and think this one has been overlooked so far. In Mount Hyjal the warnings for AOE silence on Azgalor are quite verbose right now. The entire fight had my chat log scrolling with warnings that were 6-7 lines in length that first spammed the self Big Wig warning and then RW.
That should already be fixed.


Originally Posted by Mogwa
We had issues with Bigwigs not picking up Parasites for Illidan this week (just post-2.4), its something of a shock getting people to actually pay attention to their debuffs. We migrated to DBM for Sunwell, and i must say that the display showing who is in the Inner Veil and how long they have left was really really helpful from a raid leading perspective.

Although the Bigwigs developers would argue that this isn't really what you want from this type of add-on, i thought it was great.
There already is an external addon, I have someone else working on adding a timer.

Originally Posted by Aranan
Does anyone have a screenshot of what BigWigs_TabletBars looks like? I did a quick google search but nothing came up.
It's more of a test addon than anything else, I don't even know if it's usable.

Originally Posted by Unaz
Yeah, we had this issue, and the flame bursts were sending a warning message for *every* person in the raid, so had to disable that part. Also, there were inconsistant timers (sometimes non existant) for demon phase and flame burst. There were also no warnings for 80% of the dark barrages in phase 2. Also, the proximity window didn't show at all for the entirety of the fight.

I can start recording per-boss combat logs for BT if you still need them next week though.
Logs would be great, I'll look into flame burst.
EDIT: Flame Burst fixed.

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Old 03/27/08, 5:34 PM   #228
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Originally Posted by funkydude View Post
Logs would be great, I'll look into flame burst.
EDIT: Flame Burst fixed.
You guys are doing great work, I'll make sure to keep logs of as much as I can and get them forwarded.
 
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Old 03/27/08, 5:50 PM   #229
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Originally Posted by funkydude View Post
Logs would be great, I'll look into flame burst.
EDIT: Flame Burst fixed.
I have a full MH from Tuesday saved and last nights raid up to Mother that I will send over to you tonight. Just an FYI, RoS is broken/bugged right now with no Rune Shield or Deaden. Once we finish up BT I'll toss those in as well.
 
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Old 03/29/08, 1:20 PM   #230
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One thing I'd really like to see in BigWigs is custom width/height for the bars, and custom font size. It's extremely annoying that you can only change size with scale, and I need it at a large scale to make the text readable, which makes incredibly oversized bars.
 
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Old 03/30/08, 10:22 AM   #231
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Originally Posted by Beska View Post
One thing I'd really like to see in BigWigs is custom width/height for the bars, and custom font size. It's extremely annoying that you can only change size with scale, and I need it at a large scale to make the text readable, which makes incredibly oversized bars.
It's something I plan for BigWigs v3.


BigWigs should be reasonably stable with the new patch now. There are still a few unchecked bosses we need logs for before I can remove the help request though, thanks to the people submitting them. I especially need a Transcriptor log of the Illidan and Al'ar encounters.

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Old 04/03/08, 3:16 PM   #232
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I just started using BW last night, I like the feel of it and can move everything but one part.
My guild was doing Kalecgos, and every time someone got the curse it would pop up (I like that) but it would show at the top of my screen where some text gets in the way of the names i need to see. Some guys in my guild say use the anchor option and move the bars... well it is grayed out, the mod is enabled but I cant check the show anchor option. Is there something im missing?

Thanks
 
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Old 04/03/08, 3:54 PM   #233
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Originally Posted by Haedes View Post
I just started using BW last night, I like the feel of it and can move everything but one part.
My guild was doing Kalecgos, and every time someone got the curse it would pop up (I like that) but it would show at the top of my screen where some text gets in the way of the names i need to see. Some guys in my guild say use the anchor option and move the bars... well it is grayed out, the mod is enabled but I cant check the show anchor option. Is there something im missing?

Thanks
Hey Haedes, the anchor option only becomes available if you are using 'BigWigs' as the default output 'Plugins > Messages > Output', currently the default output is 'Raid Warning' so we can take advantage of the 'zooming' style text. If you select the BigWigs option as output you will be able to move it around but you wont have that zooming effect, which is why I recommend you move whatever other mod is printing text on top of your warnings.

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Old 04/11/08, 1:43 PM   #234
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I noticed DBM had a class indicator for Hex Lord, while I didn't see anything from BigWigs.

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Old 04/11/08, 2:29 PM   #235
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Something that I've thought about for a while now, and perhaps this is the place to propose it.. Apologies if this has already been proposed or visited, I did not find it while skimming.

If either BW or DBM (or perhaps a stand-alone mod) had a 'boss kill' mini-clock display (hereby referred to as BK [and] McD) that took a boss' current HP and time and compared it against the time the boss was engaged at 100%. A boss death ETA if you will.
While people popping trinks/pops/cds at different intervals will give lots of fluxuation within the first couple %, by maintaining the comparison against the start of the fight, rather than an update based on the last 10sec (for example), the slope would be accurate enough to provide a solid guesstimation of when a boss is due to die. Brownie points if the BK and McD held data as to an asset death count between 100-75, 75-50, 50-25, 25 and below just as a visual indicator of just how long the fight may be prolonged. Pretty simple implimentations I'd imagine, and anything beyond this would probably add clutter rather than clarity to the goal being sought.

Such a thing would greatly improve Lust timings, initial cooldown usage (3min cooldowns on a 4min fight for example) and perhaps allow a nice in-game benchmark for guilds based on previous weeks' performances. Encouragement to push harder.

Edit: Because after all, who doesn't want to be able to have their boss kill and eat it too?

Last edited by Mjollnir : 04/11/08 at 3:36 PM.
 
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Old 04/11/08, 3:51 PM   #236
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TimeToDie

TimeToDie is a mod that provides an estimate of time needed until the target boss is dead. I don't know if it's really necessary to roll it into BigWigs though.
 
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Old 04/11/08, 4:35 PM   #237
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You're right, no need to bundle it. This is pretty much exactly what I've been looking for. Thank you.
 
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Old 04/13/08, 8:07 PM   #238
Manito
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Personally I'm a bigger fan of BigWigs, I used DBM for a long time and only recently picked up BigWigs when 2.4 was released, and I've been very pleased with how much more it connects the raid. With DBM I felt disconnected, BigWigs almost forces you to pay attention to more than just your part, you are able to watch the raid as a whole much more easily.
 
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Old 04/22/08, 9:15 AM   #239
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Originally Posted by Manito View Post
Personally I'm a bigger fan of BigWigs, I used DBM for a long time and only recently picked up BigWigs when 2.4 was released, and I've been very pleased with how much more it connects the raid. With DBM I felt disconnected, BigWigs almost forces you to pay attention to more than just your part, you are able to watch the raid as a whole much more easily.
Hey Manito.
What do you mean exactly? Did you feel too spammed with DBM so that you only needed to focus on your vision on raids, or? Do you feel the Bigwigs challenges you to be more attentive on raids to get the big picture?
I use Bigwigs too, since I like the sharedmedia feature and like the way the mod is setup in general. I'm looking forward to a v3 too, as I expect it to be nothing less than amazing. What features/improvements will be present in such a version funky?
 
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Old 04/22/08, 9:45 AM   #240
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Originally Posted by Haedes View Post
I just started using BW last night, I like the feel of it and can move everything but one part.
My guild was doing Kalecgos, and every time someone got the curse it would pop up (I like that) but it would show at the top of my screen where some text gets in the way of the names i need to see. Some guys in my guild say use the anchor option and move the bars... well it is grayed out, the mod is enabled but I cant check the show anchor option. Is there something im missing?

Thanks
You may also want to turn off the message "That spell isn't ready yet" (if that is indeed possible, please tell me if you can) because I've found that time and time again the message is intruding upon the timer for people who have Curse of Boundless agony, or indeed Burn at Brutallus.
 
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Old 04/23/08, 6:51 AM   #241
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Originally Posted by Jom View Post
You may also want to turn off the message "That spell isn't ready yet" (if that is indeed possible, please tell me if you can) because I've found that time and time again the message is intruding upon the timer for people who have Curse of Boundless agony, or indeed Burn at Brutallus.
You can, but as far as I know you have to use an AddOn like ErrorMonster for that
 
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Old 04/23/08, 10:41 AM   #242
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The one feature that really turns me off BigWigs is the way the bars drop down the screen and get bigger when the relevant event is about to happen.

I realise that this is designed to make these events easier to notice, but it has the opposite effect for me. I look towards the place where the bar normally is, can't find it and have to then spend time working out where it has gone.

It's probably just me being stupid, but I've never been able to get the hang of it.
 
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Old 04/23/08, 11:43 AM   #243
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Originally Posted by Amonra View Post
The one feature that really turns me off BigWigs is the way the bars drop down the screen and get bigger when the relevant event is about to happen.

I realise that this is designed to make these events easier to notice, but it has the opposite effect for me. I look towards the place where the bar normally is, can't find it and have to then spend time working out where it has gone.

It's probably just me being stupid, but I've never been able to get the hang of it.

This behaviour is changeable. I don't have the exact menu option here at work, but it should be something along the lines of "Emphasis" in the Bars options menu. Disabling that will keeps the bars all in the same place, and won't expand when the event is almost up. You can also move the Emphasis marker so that they do grow, but stay in the same spot.

There's not some hidden "but he tries really hard" variable built into the game. -Slake

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Old 04/23/08, 12:34 PM   #244
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Is there any way that either DMB or BW announces in guild chat?
 
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Old 04/25/08, 1:09 PM   #245
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So with a full clean install of Vista I was still finding it impossible for anyone to see my broadcasts to /rw using Bigwigs. It's pretty much a non issue now as I forced everyone to install BW and oRA in the last couple of weeks. It's very nice being able to see everyone's cooldowns as a raid leader now.

Two suggestions for Kalecgos/Kalecgos Portals:
1) Kalecgos Dual HP | World of Warcraft Addons | World of Warcraft @ Curse.com This mod tries to show the dual HP bars but only seems to update when you are in the relevant realm. Since I only speak English I don't know if this needs multipe client installs for sync. Is there any chance that either of the Kalec modules could include that?
2) All our decursers user DBM still due to it showing the length of time in the demon realm. Any chance to add that to the portals mod?
 
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Old 04/27/08, 7:31 PM   #246
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Originally Posted by Birdemani View Post
So with a full clean install of Vista I was still finding it impossible for anyone to see my broadcasts to /rw using Bigwigs. It's pretty much a non issue now as I forced everyone to install BW and oRA in the last couple of weeks. It's very nice being able to see everyone's cooldowns as a raid leader now.

Two suggestions for Kalecgos/Kalecgos Portals:
1) Kalecgos Dual HP | World of Warcraft Addons | World of Warcraft @ Curse.com This mod tries to show the dual HP bars but only seems to update when you are in the relevant realm. Since I only speak English I don't know if this needs multipe client installs for sync. Is there any chance that either of the Kalec modules could include that?
2) All our decursers user DBM still due to it showing the length of time in the demon realm. Any chance to add that to the portals mod?
I kinda abandoned the Kalec mod, if anyone wants to pick it up feel free. I might add bars when LibBars is finished being written so I can get used to it's API for BW3, but HP should be pretty easy, not so sure you can throw that into 'KalecgosPortals' though?

I can't uderstand your problem with announcing, the only thing I can guess is it's some other addon, have you tried with only BigWigs enabled, inviting someone to a party and doing a sync test with broadcast on and bossblock off?

Originally Posted by Radeox
Is there any way that either DMB or BW announces in guild chat?
There are no plans on adding guild announcements.


Originally Posted by frmorrison
I noticed DBM had a class indicator for Hex Lord, while I didn't see anything from BigWigs.
People tend to know what classes are just by viewing the names, at the end of the day I don't think the gain can justify the code needed.

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Old 04/28/08, 7:51 PM   #247
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Originally Posted by Birdemani View Post
So with a full clean install of Vista I was still finding it impossible for anyone to see my broadcasts to /rw using Bigwigs. It's pretty much a non issue now as I forced everyone to install BW and oRA in the last couple of weeks. It's very nice being able to see everyone's cooldowns as a raid leader now.

Two suggestions for Kalecgos/Kalecgos Portals:
1) Kalecgos Dual HP | World of Warcraft Addons | World of Warcraft @ Curse.com This mod tries to show the dual HP bars but only seems to update when you are in the relevant realm. Since I only speak English I don't know if this needs multipe client installs for sync. Is there any chance that either of the Kalec modules could include that?
2) All our decursers user DBM still due to it showing the length of time in the demon realm. Any chance to add that to the portals mod?
1) Yes, you will need multiple clients to have a mod reporting HP to be accurate all the time. I'm not sure it would fit into KalecgosPortals, either.

2) Length of time in the Demon Realm would be nice to show along with the group/name of the person in the Demon realm. I turned the Portals mod off because it was just a list of names without any significant order to it. Converting it to a LibBars-based solution would be amazing, though. I've started using LibBars with a new mod I'm writing, and it's fairly simple to use, and quite powerful so far.

Regarding class colors, surely there's (or should be) a simple library that could handle the translation? Chat mods use it, oRA2 uses it, and I'm sure many more addons do that conversion.
 
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Old 05/01/08, 4:57 PM   #248
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If you check the raid leading mod thread you will see someone else in there having issues with BW not outputting any broadcasts, esp on the Hyjal waves. It will echo to your screen and chat put nothing is sent out to other raiders. I recently had everyone with assist try to broadcast and nothing went out.

BTW, I think I noticed an interesting thing on Kalec last night. I setup some tank windows so I could watch the HP on both the demon and the dragon. When I was in one realm I couldn't see the target of the tanks in the other realm. Each tank had oRA2 installed for MT windows.
 
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Old 05/01/08, 5:15 PM   #249
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Originally Posted by Birdemani View Post
If you check the raid leading mod thread you will see someone else in there having issues with BW not outputting any broadcasts, esp on the Hyjal waves. It will echo to your screen and chat put nothing is sent out to other raiders. I recently had everyone with assist try to broadcast and nothing went out.

BTW, I think I noticed an interesting thing on Kalec last night. I setup some tank windows so I could watch the HP on both the demon and the dragon. When I was in one realm I couldn't see the target of the tanks in the other realm. Each tank had oRA2 installed for MT windows.
In fact, I don't even see the more detailed trash wave broadcasts on my screen, when I'm running BW (as an assistant, with announce turned on). I even configured it to output to my chat window, and I can look there and see that I'm announcing something like "Wave #9 incoming", but there is nothing that provides more detail anywhere coming from me.

I have the mod set to announce the extra detail in Hyjal, its just not doing it.
 
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Old 05/01/08, 5:47 PM   #250
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This may be a little off topic....when does the Sathrovar UNIT_DEAD fire? when he's banished? or when the encounter is over and he becomes lootable?
 
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