Can't believe the victory music hasn't been mentioned, that alone makes BW superior to DBM. Seriously thought, the audio cues to timers is very nice, as i spend a majority of my time staring at the corner of my screen with Grid.

I'd love a width/height option for bars in BigWigs as well as scale. I don't know if DBM has this option, but it's a thing that I've always missed from BigWigs.

I switched to BW after having consistant problems with the DBM options menu locking me up. I think they both work well though.

What aggro-meter are you using? Omen has it already, with a configurable threshold BEFORE pulling aggro. I can't figure out a fight at the moment in which it wouldn't result in a death if you pull aggro or at least screw you up (Melee aggro on Bloodboil or Shahraz will put a severe dent in your dps), which makes a warning ON aggro pull obsolete. And on trash mobs, if you pull aggro, you either knew before or you are dead anyway (Thinking of pre-Shahraz Trash vs Bonechewer Behemoth).

Bottom line: Aggro Alerts is a threat-meter thing, something anybody raiding has installed anyway. It doesnt belong in a Bossmod.

I prefer DBM in general. It's just better.

Tried BW for a while after many recommendations but was forced to switch back. The timers on Kael for BW were wildly inaccurate and causeing massive problems for me. BW timers on Mag were causing havoc also, last time I was there.

Odd, we had been working on kael for 1-2 weeks before we got our kill and the Bigwigs timers had always been spot on.

Not really. There is literally zero difference in my time required to keep up to date with BW/Capping vs. just BW. Joys of WAU and all that. I prefer being able to choose my PvP mod, rather than having it built in and having to disable it, simply because I'm a fan of the idea of modular addons rather than all in one.

To me, using one giant bloated mod for both raiding and PvP is like using Microsoft Word for both writing a text document and writing a HTML webpage: sure, it can do it, but I'd much rather have programs (and mods) that do one thing and do it well instead.

Been using BW since I stopped using RDX back around when Naxx came out, and despite people saying how much better DBM is, I've gone back to BW every time.

Back in Naxxramas, I used IMBA as it just had so many good features. Around that time Bigwigs was still taking babysteps, so I didn't really follow it... Now that IMBA is gone I use BW, can't say I'm not happy about it. It gets updated rather quick and is as accurate as a bossmod should be. Not to mention I can give feedback, since one of the authors is on my realm :P.

Again as others have said. It's your preference, it's better for you. I happen to not like DBM and find it inferior to BW. That's my opinion.

Timers on spells, IE Fear on Sanguinar, or the gaze on Thaladred are not spot on correct. They can't be. Why not? Well because they aren't an ability that happens every 40 seconds on the dot. They happen between x amount of time and x amount of time. No bossmod can accurately tell you when they will do their next ability, only tell you roughly when they can.

I've never really had any issues with my timers except once when they were not reset after a wipe and that was back on Gruul.

Hope that shed's some light on the subject for you.

I do have one observation about timers on the Kael'thas encounter. I've noticed them being "off", but after thinking about what would trigger them, they're spot on.

Phase 2 is 95 seconds, we all know that. That 95 seconds is actually from the speaking to start Phase 2 (can't Kael just shut up already?), to the speaking that he does to start Phase 3. It isn't when the weapons and advisors are targetable. That bothered me to begin with, but I've learned to mentally adjust the timers.

Funky, if I'm wrong about those triggers...just say so. I haven't had time to dig into the Lua to check.

I would second a request for Kael advisor HP as part of the Tempest Keep module. The majority of my guild uses DBM, but as pointed out earlier, I don't care for the bloat (a la M$ Office style). It's almost past it's usefulness, though, as I half expect us to get a kill tonight (got him to 63% in Phase 4 before the weekly reset).

Definitely looking forward to BW3 and the new options. Dewdrop is starting to be annoying.

What about adding a Shade of Akama module showing the number of deaths accumulated for the Channelers and such? Pretty sure that if you did that, then the same thing would apply to a phase 2 and 3 Kael'Thas bars for the weapons and advisers.

Small things not needed, but useful none the less.

Yes it's added all the way up to Illidan.

and myself, I prefer DBM, been using it since La Vendetta came out.

I tried BigWigs once, but i missed several features like trash timer/what mobs is coming and being able to shiftclick the bars so the timer comes into the raid (not most necessary, but I like it.)

Can't really comment BigWigs, since I haven't used it for quite a long time, but again, small features is the thing that makes me like one.

And really, i don't care if DBM ripped of BW or BW ripped of DBM, it just makes the other mod better = makes people who prefer the other one happier

This would be a nice feature for BW. Being albe to announce my custom 'small break'/etc timers by a simple click would be a nice addition.

Been trying to track down a memory leak in an addon and as part of the testing switched to BW from DBM (neither causing the problem I should add). BW does seem a lot "cleaner" but I seemed to be missing a few useful options such as the range indicator (others too close) or people with less than 8500 health on Naj'entus. Not big things and certainly workable without but they are some of those "nice to have" items.

Incidentally, the issue (for me) appears to have been Morganti's Buff bars. Having switched to ElkBuffBars I'm ending an evenings raid with some 75 MB less memory usage.

BW has a "too close" thing if I'm not remembering wrong. Currently using DBM myself, but I keep switching back and forth between the two. The newfound (for me) countdowns on global bars is really cool (as a response to /pull in dbm).

BW's FFXII music when killing a boss is, honest to the great magnet, amazingly awesome.

It's a dynamic on/off feature depending on encounter. You COULD have turned it off accidently

I tried these out yesterday and found them very helpful, playing a Hunter I get quite tunnel visioned at times staring at a cast bar and watching my pet etc.

The flash worked well mostly but a few encounters it didn't seem to work at all. It worked fine for when I got Gazed by Thaladred and It worked fine when I got Wrath of the astromancer, but there was no flash when I got targeted for Arcane Orb or Flame Patch.

Fixed.

Personally I just approve of Big Wigs because it knows that a Paladin with Righteous Fury active is most likely a tank. We actually use both mods in the guild though, to get a full spread of warnings, which is another benefit of running BigWigs, in that I can prevent the DBM warnings from showing up anywhere but inside of one of my chat windows (I do want to be able to see if the messages are broadcasted just in case).

I also favor BigWigs exactly because it doesn't have a whole lot of shiny bells and whistles, I don't want my screen to flash or shake if something important happens; all I need (and want!) is for the warning sound to be different than the normal warning sound when it's an ability targeting me. Plus the bar emphasizing allows me to put most bars in a far corner of my screen I barely look, while still allowing me to easily see them by the time they become important.

Just so you know BigWigs is 100% SharedMedia compatible, even the sounds. Don't like a sound? Grab SharedMedia at wowace, add in your sound, go into your BigWigs sound menu and change it! (same for bar textures etc)


Haven't been to Kael for a while to check anything so can't really remember. :p

Who has?