The Hyjal trash warnings are fairly inconsistant it seems. The numbers are off on some of the later waves (I didn't have a chance to mark them down at the time, but it seemed DBM had all the correct numbers, while Bigwigs was randomly incorrect).

I also don't get the mob type announce (even when enabled), if I'm not the one to talk to the NPC (or I assume someone with Bigwigs). Although it will still announce the number of the wave, but without the names of the mobs. Also, while the upcoming "In x seconds" warnings are nice, it would be handy if it would announce the mob types before the actual spawn. At this point it doesn't really matter to us, as we're used to the spawns, but that whole plugin seemed a bit under par.

Also, I've had to turn off the target announce on Supremus, because it was firing every few seconds in Stage 2. It seemed to be calling the volcano spawns as his fixate target. DBM calls it correctly though.

Is there any way to click on a timer bar and force broadcast it to chat? Especially handy with the custom bars if some people aren't running Bigwigs. The only thing meta-clicking seems to do for me is remove the bar.

i use both lol, just look at what i feel like

I doubt class coloring will be added, its quite a bit a code that I'm not sure at the end of the day if its worth. I'll put it in the 3.0 'possibility's' list.

The Hyjal warnings were actually put on 1 line to prevent spam, if you had for instance someone announcing and BossBlock off, the warnings for the mobs might get pushed out. :-)

Oh? Please feel free to update me with anything, with reasonable evidence of course.


If its your first time in Hyjal since a reset or a new raid day etc, you would need someone with BigWigs to start the event, so it knows which waves are upcoming. If you have killed a boss already that day it should automatically adjust itself, allowing anyone to start it.

Yes this was the old BigWigs functionality, but because listening to the trigger of Supremus changing targets is too unreliable, I changed it. DBM does miss target changes just like BW used to. BW will keep you up-to-date with hes current target.

Not currently but it's been something I've been thinking about.


FYI: For both DBM and BW users, I recently discovered that turning on nameplates will make the WorldFrame secure, thus disabling the ability to shake the screen and creating a 'taint' message. I have suggested to Blizzard that they change it but have received no reply. For just now, if you want screen shacking you will need to keep nameplates off (Flash is unaffected in both addons). I updated BW a while ago so that it doesn't shake the screen if they are on, preventing the creation of the taint message.

as a raider ive used DBM, and in the premade UI's I sometimes download BW's both. I personally prefer DBM after having played with both for a while. Theirs really not much difference, but visually i found BWs to put alot of information in the centre of the screen, often where I have things going on (and also sometimes "camouflaged" by my character itself) and it was sort of difficult to move.

If I have a problem with the placement of DBM I just bring up the little menu and slide the X/Y axis untill its out of my way. just my 2cents.

You can move everything in Bigwigs. It's called "Show Anchor" and it lets you drag the message frames, bars, etc to any place you want.

I've tried both, but I prefer the BW style over DBM. It's really down to personal perference, they're both powerful mods.

sorry if i was unclear. I did eventually get BW working just the way I liked, I was simply implying the time it took to do it (the user friendly-ness if you will) was worse for me. As I also said i might be biased due to having BW given to me as part of a packaged UI, meaning I had a few mods I didn't understand fully thrown at me at once, which could have exacerbated the issue!

Thanks for the reply funkydude. Do not add class coloring if it is a lot of code. The one thing I love about bigwigs is the fact it is so small in size, yet for the people who have to have certain features (such as needing a mod to tell you it's ok to throw the spine on Najentus) they can download a plug in for that feature. So maybe someone will pick up and develop an optional class coloring plug in.

Anyways what I actually came to post was about the Illidian demon form timer. Right now the first warning works like a charm with the timer running out and Illidian going to demon form. However the next warning for demon phase the timer will end 10-15 seconds short of Illidian going to demon form. Maybe that was intentional to give people a run away now sort of message but the text does not imply that it is a 'time to move' timer and not a transition timer. As much as I hate to say it Deadly Boss Mods does have the correct timing for each transition to demon form.

Well.. Class Coloring would make me love Big Wigs even more. I still use it over DBM, but Class colors make it even easier to see who is affected with whatever. It isn't just eyecandy. Class Coloring could easily contribute to smarter identifying threats. I understand if it's alot of code, and it shouldn't have max prio. If someone would write it however, it would make BigWigs stronger than it already is - at least that's my opinion.

I prefer using nShakedown to not only let me align/arrange BigWigs, but NaturEnemy, Quartz, Pitbull, etc.

nShakedown'll activate all your Ace mods (and some others) at once, letting you see what you will get when you are in the middle of a raid. I think it is probably one of the most brilliant mods I have ever used.

My guild uses DBM, I don't see any reason to not use it over anyother mod. It works great, on time and is idiot proof. Unless there is a substainal upgrade from DBM to BW (Like from KTM to Omen) then there isn't any point changing.

I am using Bigwigs myself and have noticed that the timers for Eagle lord Akil'Zon's Electrical Storm ability are incorrect recently.

Sometimes the Electrical Storm hits the raid just before the timer is up, and most of the times the Electrical Storm happens later then what the timer suggests. (a 2 to 5 seconds difference)

I've asked my guild and most are using Deadly Boss Mods. They are experiencing the same problem.

Has anyone else noticed this?

You are right, it is a cooldown monitor. Thanks for reminding me.

It used to work perfectly however, he'd use it as soon as his cooldown is up.

We had trouble seeing the incoming Electrical Storm last night aswell because it was also raining in Zul'Aman, didn't quite help.

We had that issue for a while, but ended up going with the "Sound Ambiance" to hear for the storm. Hasn't failed since.

Funky: Great work, keep it up. I've been using BW since it originally came out way back in the day, and I'm slowing converting all my guild members over to it from DBM due to DBM not showing a few things that BW does.

Wave 5 before Anetheron notes four banshees. We always find just two. This seems to be wrong in several strategies too. If someone could confirm there are only two, I'll try to pay close attention next time.

I've added 10 seconds onto the Illidan demon prediction, I'd really like any feedback on that, if anyone can provide.

Also if anyone can procure an updated (2.3.3) transcript from Akil'Zon and Halazzi in Zul'Aman, could you please pm me it.

The demon transitions seemed to be perfect last night on our Illidan kill, although I admit I wasn't watching for it specifically. However, I'm afflic and depend on the timer to make sure all my DoTs are off, and I was never surprised by an incorrect transition, so seems right to me.

Index of /BossWhisperer/

There's already functionality for that, in a separate AddOn, as previously discussed in this thread.

See post #178 in this thread (and even on this page!). It's fairly complex code, and likely will not be implemented any time soon.

For anyone looking to help with Sunwell, preparations have now been made to BigWigs for it. I have scraps about for the first 2 bosses but not enough. If you want to help send me combatlogs and Transcriptor(make sure it's updated) logs via pm please. Thanks!

DBM got warnings for 2 bosses atm

I've always preferred DBM, but both are good and it's a matter of taste

Yep so do we, we've also already started converting old bosses to the new system.

Nail on the head there. ;p


In other news, those of you testing the new PTR 2.4 bosses with the latest BigWigs (61527 as of this post) will notice a nice new feature. Icons in your raid warnings! This is a feature we plan to expand to all modules after 2.4, it can be turned off via 'Messages' in 'Plugins'. Hope you like it.

Oh, and thanks to the folks that are sending logs, I have a fair amount of the first boss, but low on the 2nd boss and beyond. If you'd like to help, log your combat log /combatlog and send it to me via a pm. Thanks.