Deadly Boss Mods vs. BigWigs - Page 9

racy · 02/27/08, 1:10 PM

I havent't really tried bigwigs so far since I have been happy with DBM. I think I'll check out both when 2.4 hits though, since I guess both have to be redone slightly with all the new stuff in 2.4.

Snowglow · 02/28/08, 4:40 AM

I'll give my answer as well since all info can help i guess

I have purely been using DMB 'cos it was a lot easier to configure for me since i'm not that witted with addons. I had tried bigwigs in the past and I couldnt quite follow how it worked^^

But now i have read this post and i see the involvement of the bigwigs crew + i'm using loads more ace addons lately, I will try once again

Ammo · 02/29/08, 8:01 AM

Originally Posted by racy

I havent't really tried bigwigs so far since I have been happy with DBM. I think I'll check out both when 2.4 hits though, since I guess both have to be redone slightly with all the new stuff in 2.4.

BigWigs should now be fully compatible with 2.4. We did not test every boss ofcourse, after 2.4 hits live we expect some issues still. But those should be resolved as soon as people provide us with logs for those bosses.

The 2.4 combatlog events make it all a lot easier and less dependant on translations.

KnThrak · 03/16/08, 4:46 AM

I used BigWigs for a while, then DBM, and now again BigWigs + SimpleBossWhisperer.
The latter fixes the only real issue with BigWigs, no auto-reply. And BigWigs is just easier to set up and use than DBM, and DBM feels too... hrm... how do I say... "heavyweight"?

funkydude · 03/16/08, 9:51 AM

Originally Posted by KnThrak

issue with BigWigs

Our opinions differ here, see, I don't see this as an issue with BigWigs, I see it as an issue with DBM, as it has no place in a boss mod, in my opinion. But yeah, SimpleBossWhisperer should cover it.

♦ Birdemani · 03/16/08, 1:01 PM

I have to use both depending on the fight. Bigwigs never starts correctly on RoS but DBM does, and since Bigwigs doesn't have a health monitor on Narjentus, I need to use DBM there as well. In Hyjal, almost all of the trash wave warnings are wrong after the 2nd wave on each fight and we need to use BW there. The biggest annoyance with Bigwigs lately is that even if you pick to broadcast to a channel, no one sees the warning. At first I thought it was some for of a BossBlocker but even those with no BW/DBM installed were not seeing the warnings either.

So I keep both updated and need to use Addon Control Panel to enable/disable one or the other.

Dollar · 03/16/08, 2:11 PM

Each of them are missing certain features like the above mentioned health monitor for BW and the Hyjal trash timers are off on DBM so I usually switch back and forth depending on the fight.

Zaq · 03/16/08, 2:22 PM

There's an external for BW for the Naj fight that provides a simple health monitor.

koaschten · 03/16/08, 4:57 PM

There are a lot of modules available for BigWigs that cover stuff that is not considered necessary but useful.

BigWigs_AQ20	1 week ago	Raid	Big Wigs Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj Modules	Ammo, Rabbit	63507
BigWigs_AQ40	4 weeks ago	Raid	Big Wigs Ahn'Qiraj Modules	Ammo, Rabbit	61747
BigWigs_Azeroth	1 week ago	Raid	Big Wigs Azeroth Modules	Ammo, Rabbit	63714
BigWigs_BWL	4 weeks ago	Raid	Big Wigs Blackwing Lair Modules	Ammo, Rabbit	61747
BigWigs_CommonAuras	5 days ago	Raid	Notifies the raid about common buffs and debuffs.	Rabbit	63746
BigWigs_CThunAssist	4 weeks ago	Raid	Proximity and Stomach warnings for C'Thun.	Ammo	61747
BigWigs_Debugger	4 months ago	Development Tools	Debugging options and assistance for Big Wigs.	Rabbit	54514
BigWigs_HealbotAssist	4 weeks ago	Raid	Healing rotation addon for Loatheb.	Rabbit	61747
BigWigs_KalecgosPortals	1 week ago	Raid	Display players currently in the portal.	Funkydude	63580
BigWigs_LoathebTactical	4 weeks ago	Raid	Spore and Consumable warnings for Loatheb.	Beerke	61747
BigWigs_MC	4 weeks ago	Raid	Big Wigs Molten Core Modules	Ammo, Rabbit	61747
BigWigs_NajAssist	4 weeks ago	Raid	Raid health display addon for High Warlord Naj'entus. 	Funkydude	61747
BigWigs_Naxxramas	4 weeks ago	Raid	Big Wigs Naxxramas Modules	Ammo, Rabbit	61747
BigWigs_NefCount	4 weeks ago	Raid	Counts how many Drakonids have been killed to help preparing for Nefarian's landing.	Grimwald	61747
BigWigs_RazuviousAssistant	4 weeks ago	Raid	Additional timers usefull in the Instructor Razuvious encounter.	Shyva and Rabbit	61747
BigWigs_TabletBars	1 month ago	Raid	Alternative bar display for Big Wigs.	Rabbit	60436
BigWigs_ThaddiusArrows	4 weeks ago	Raid	Shows Arrows indicating which way to run based on your current polarity	Kebinusan and Rabbit	61747
BigWigs_VashjFFA	1 week ago	Raid	Changes loot to Free-For-All when you engage Vashj	Funkydude	63955
BigWigs_ZG	4 weeks ago	Raid	Big Wigs Zul'Gurub Modules	Ammo, Rabbit	61747
BigWigs_ZombieFood	1 week ago	Raid	Notifies the raid when someone is Dazed.	Rabbit	63753

If you add BossWhisperer to it, you kinda eliminate any "BigWigs suxx because it doesn't do..." and honestly, do you need ZulGurub boss mobs in wow 2.0? If you need them, grab them via WAU

Hate Monkey · 03/16/08, 7:04 PM

I gotta say that I love using the ZombieFood module as it shows when tanks turn their backs to bosses when moving around. Also the Naj'Entus health assist should be implemented straight into the BT module.

There are problems when the AQ40 Twin Emps Teleport warning timer, sometime works, sometime doesn't.

shabee · 03/16/08, 7:16 PM

I just recently migrated to bigwigs from DBM.

I like how bigwigs look with the warning bars.

Function wise, I have no problem with either of them. DBM uses far less memory than a bunch of my other addons to become a consumption problem yet.

hardrocks · 03/17/08, 11:21 AM

I have used both for some time.
I prefer Bigwigs because I really hate DBM's message spams.
However, as I am playing Chinese Wow, the translations of Bigwigs are not always accurate. Many times, I had to manually revise the translations with Transcriptor and DBM (DBM's translations are always correct.)

I hope the introduction of the new combat log system in patch 2.4 would totally or at least partially solve the problems. I have read some lua files prepared for the 2.4. It seems that only Boss Emotes are depedent on the translations. Am I right on this point?

Sorry for my English.

koaschten · 03/18/08, 12:27 PM

@hardrocks That being said, the non-english versions of an addon are only as good as the person who did the translations. Unless you know someone who can do the translations for your addon "on demand" you are kinda left with "drop me a mail with a koKR.lua and i will add it so it supports koKR". It's been that way and will always be. Though having a central development spot like the wowace svn helps in that, you need someone to DO the translation in the beginning.

funkydude · 03/19/08, 9:19 AM

Originally Posted by Birdemani

I have to use both depending on the fight. Bigwigs never starts correctly on RoS but DBM does

I've never had an issue with RoS, and since you didn't really describe the issue at all I will just guess that it's because you don't have the module enabled in time. Either enable it manually before you engage or make sure you have your mouse over him on engage. Could easily happen for example if your MT isn't using BigWigs, since he/she usually has RoS targetted first.

Originally Posted by Birdemani

and since Bigwigs doesn't have a health monitor on Narjentus, I need to use DBM there as well.

Like said above, there is an external addon for Najentus.

Originally Posted by Birdemani

In Hyjal, almost all of the trash wave warnings are wrong after the 2nd wave on each fight

This doesn't really help me solve any problems, I haven't noticed any inconsistencies, if you do you should note them down and what the true details are, guessing again: make sure the person starting the encounter is using BigWigs.

Originally Posted by Birdemani

The biggest annoyance with Bigwigs lately is that even if you pick to broadcast to a channel, no one sees the warning.

Odd, make sure you don't have broadcast to chat ticked, or just delete your saved variables and tick broadcast -only-.

Originally Posted by Hate Monkey

There are problems when the AQ40 Twin Emps Teleport warning timer, sometime works, sometime doesn't.

I plan on revisiting some old instances after 2.4 so I will look into this. Thanks

Originally Posted by hardrocks

I have used both for some time.
I prefer Bigwigs because I really hate DBM's message spams.
However, as I am playing Chinese Wow, the translations of Bigwigs are not always accurate. Many times, I had to manually revise the translations with Transcriptor and DBM (DBM's translations are always correct.)

I hope the introduction of the new combat log system in patch 2.4 would totally or at least partially solve the problems. I have read some lua files prepared for the 2.4. It seems that only Boss Emotes are depedent on the translations. Am I right on this point?

Sorry for my English.

You are absolutely correct, 2.4 will fix most if not all detection problems with translations. The main thing needing translated will be menus and warnings, and the occasional emote. If you'd like to help with translations you should hang around the wowace forums more and get an svn account or post translations. Also, your English is good.

♦ Birdemani · 03/19/08, 1:11 PM

Originally Posted by funkydude

I've never had an issue with RoS, and since you didn't really describe the issue at all I will just guess that it's because you don't have the module enabled in time. Either enable it manually before you engage or make sure you have your mouse over him on engage. Could easily happen for example if your MT isn't using BigWigs, since he/she usually has RoS targetted first. Like said above, there is an external addon for Najentus.

I am the MT however I'm not the initial person to tank phase one and the person that does so uses DBM. Usually I am making sure the remainder of the last trash spawns are pulled down the ramp and tanked as we rush in (thus preventing a mouseover as the essence is released). I gather this could cause the lack of sync. I will just force enable the mod on tonights run and see if that resolves my issue. Also, the Najentus addon is very well done. I added it and feel its better than the DBM one. A few things to improve it possibly: make note if the person has immuned themselves (Iceblock/Bubble), show how much health they are below the health threshold and maybe an integration with incomingheal and place a dot next to the name if the person is getting attention from a healer.

This doesn't really help me solve any problems, I haven't noticed any inconsistencies, if you do you should note them down and what the true details are, guessing again: make sure the person starting the encounter is using BigWigs.

Sorry for the confusion. The BW timers for Hyjal are the correct versions. The DBM are the ones that are very much wrong. I did notice one odd bug on the Rage Winterchill trash: Someone with DBM started the encounter and on the 4th trash wave I received the notice "Mount Hyjal mod activated." It has only happened just that one time and I try to be the one that starts it up now.

Odd, make sure you don't have broadcast to chat ticked, or just delete your saved variables and tick broadcast -only-.

I've tried each option for broadcast with no change, as has the other Bigwig users in my guild. I will fully delete Bigwigs and the SV's and reinstall to see if it corrects the problem.

Thanks for the replies

Silverstorm · 03/20/08, 2:51 AM

Originally Posted by funkydude

I've never had an issue with RoS, and since you didn't really describe the issue at all I will just guess that it's because you don't have the module enabled in time. Either enable it manually before you engage or make sure you have your mouse over him on engage. Could easily happen for example if your MT isn't using BigWigs, since he/she usually has RoS targetted first.

I don't recall the activation logic (and don't seem to have an issue myself), but would it make sense to trigger the RoS module with the spawning of the little red anger balls or targeting the undead/ghost mobs leading up to RoS?

For the NajAssist module, I would second the request for "immune" check. I think that would just be a class/aura check, but I'm not sure the complexity of that check.

♦ Birdemani · 03/20/08, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Silverstorm

I don't recall the activation logic (and don't seem to have an issue myself), but would it make sense to trigger the RoS module with the spawning of the little red anger balls or targeting the undead/ghost mobs leading up to RoS?

I may have found the problem with my warnings. It appears that the enrage check was turned off by default on install and thus nulled out any warnings to me in phase one. One last suggestion: An OOM countdown for Phase 2 ROS.

Zaq · 03/20/08, 11:38 AM

Bigwigs at least absolutely has a countdown until 0 mana timer. I'm quite pleased that bw shows the critical details without including 700,000 other useful, but less urgent factoids.

nataku · 03/20/08, 12:29 PM

BigWigs works perfectly for RoS. Just make sure you hover your pointer over each essence as it engages and timers for all three phases work just fine. Enrage Timers for Phase 1, Deaden/Shield/Zero Mana timers for Phase 2, and Soul Scream timer for phase 3 are all accurate.

• Chicken · 03/20/08, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Birdemani

Sorry for the confusion. The BW timers for Hyjal are the correct versions. The DBM are the ones that are very much wrong. I did notice one odd bug on the Rage Winterchill trash: Someone with DBM started the encounter and on the 4th trash wave I received the notice "Mount Hyjal mod activated." It has only happened just that one time and I try to be the one that starts it up now.

The Mount Hyjal mod activates upon mousing over Jaina or Thrall, generally people will have little reason to mouse over either of them unless they're the one starting the event, so if the event is started by someone using DBM it can happen that the Mount Hyjal mod doesn't activate for a while. You can also get detailed warnings including which kind of mobs are in the wave if you talk to Jaina or Thrall before the event starts, you don't need to click their dialog option, just talk to them once.

funkydude · 03/20/08, 9:57 PM

Could any hunter with tranq shot and access to the 2.4 PTR please find a mob that frenzys and cast a tranq shot but log everything with /combatlog and post it here? I need to update the BW Tranq module. My thanks to anyone that can.

Mogwai · 03/27/08, 6:39 AM

We had issues with Bigwigs not picking up Parasites for Illidan this week (just post-2.4), its something of a shock getting people to actually pay attention to their debuffs. We migrated to DBM for Sunwell, and i must say that the display showing who is in the Inner Veil and how long they have left was really really helpful from a raid leading perspective.

Although the Bigwigs developers would argue that this isn't really what you want from this type of add-on, i thought it was great.

vorda · 03/27/08, 9:01 AM

Although the Bigwigs developers would argue that this isn't really what you want from this type of add-on, i thought it was great.

There is a BigWigs module for this.
(as usual, you can find it on wowace)

♦ Birdemani · 03/27/08, 9:37 AM

Funky: I've been watching most of the updates and think this one has been overlooked so far. In Mount Hyjal the warnings for AOE silence on Azgalor are quite verbose right now. The entire fight had my chat log scrolling with warnings that were 6-7 lines in length that first spammed the self Big Wig warning and then RW.

Aranan · 03/27/08, 11:44 AM

Does anyone have a screenshot of what BigWigs_TabletBars looks like? I did a quick google search but nothing came up.