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01/15/08, 3:58 PM
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Don Flamenco
Night Elf Warrior
Cenarius
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Natur Enemy Cast Bar replacement?
According to the download page on curse, NECB will stop working next patch:
Natur EnemyCastBar | World of Warcraft @ Curse.com
What addons are available to replace this? It was the best addon I had for both tracking PVP abilities and keeping up sunder armor/tclap/demo shout reliably.
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01/15/08, 4:24 PM
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Rogue
Auchindoun (EU)
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I'm hoping there's someone around that'll be able to carry on with NECB and fix it to work when 2.4 comes out.
I've tried a bunch of addons and none match it.
An Ace or Rock version of this would make my day - with it also being available on the WAU of course
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01/15/08, 4:30 PM
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Piston Honda
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01/15/08, 5:54 PM
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#4
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Von Kaiser
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From the comments in that curse thread, Natur refers to a possible ACE version from Funkydude. Imagine we won't see anything concrete until there is a actual 2.4 PTR to test stuff out on however.
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01/15/08, 6:23 PM
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#6
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Cyn
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I don't know if I don't have it set up correctly, but Antagonist basically forgets about everyone as soon as I de-select them. It also doesn't appear to track duration of things like my partners Sap. Am I using it incorrectly, or is it truly not a replacement for NECB?
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01/15/08, 6:29 PM
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#7
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Rogue
Frostmourne
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Originally Posted by Wara
I don't know if I don't have it set up correctly, but Antagonist basically forgets about everyone as soon as I de-select them. It also doesn't appear to track duration of things like my partners Sap. Am I using it incorrectly, or is it truly not a replacement for NECB?
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There is an option that tracks target only in each of the cast/buff/cooldown sections, you'll need to turn that off.
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01/15/08, 7:38 PM
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Rogue
Auchindoun (EU)
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Originally Posted by Cyn
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it also doesn't give respawn timers for instances.
Last edited by captf : 01/15/08 at 8:10 PM.
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01/15/08, 7:47 PM
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#9
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Piston Honda
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NECB has a lot of issues in my opinion. HoT's will sometimes not continue to track when you deselect the person with the HoT on them even when you have that option selected. HoT's will also refresh when another person throw's the same type of HoT on a target. I also have turned off the tracking of others debuffs yet I still get warning for scorch stacks and misery even though I'm a feral druid!
I found Antagonist to be even worse though so what I've had to do is use 3 mods to cover all my needs which is just lame. HoTCandy for tracking all HoT's used. Classtimers for tracking my debuffs on targets when dpsing. NECB for tracking DR's and other PVP related items.
Hopefully the 2.4 changes allow for a new mod to be made which does a better job in making customizable and reliable timer bars easier to manage.
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01/16/08, 7:17 AM
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#10
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Warrior
Alonsus (EU)
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Originally Posted by Celandro
According to the download page on curse, NECB will stop working next patch:
Natur EnemyCastBar | World of Warcraft @ Curse.com
What addons are available to replace this? It was the best addon I had for both tracking PVP abilities and keeping up sunder armor/tclap/demo shout reliably.
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I mostly use it to track thunderclap and demo shout debuffs on bosses. The raid instance respawn timer is handy too. If there's an alternative from ace that'll do these two things, I'd be happy. So far, I haven't found it.
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01/16/08, 7:32 AM
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DPS the Invisible Skull
Night Elf Warrior
Silvermoon (EU)
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Originally Posted by LittleHamster
I mostly use it to track thunderclap and demo shout debuffs on bosses. The raid instance respawn timer is handy too. If there's an alternative from ace that'll do these two things, I'd be happy. So far, I haven't found it.
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ClassTimer will handle this perfectly fine for you if you want a Bar for debuff duration.
DebuffFilter is also an excellent addon for this purpose if you don't mind using an addon which isn't on the WoWAce SVN.
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01/16/08, 7:34 AM
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#12
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Von Kaiser
Tauren Druid
Gilneas (EU)
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Originally Posted by captf
it also doesn't give respawn timers for instances.
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Use Incubator for this. Personally i think you normally dont need both active. Incubator is for PvE and Antagonist for PvP.
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01/16/08, 9:42 AM
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Glass Joe
Blood Elf Rogue
Auchindoun (EU)
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Originally Posted by Yero
Use Incubator for this. Personally i think you normally dont need both active. Incubator is for PvE and Antagonist for PvP.
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You know, I'd actually noticed Incubator, but it didn't click for me that that was what it was for.
However, I'm not too sure about the "Incubator is for PvE and Antagonist for PvP." part, since they perform completely different roles.
Thinking, I may re-evaluate what I actually use NECB for - I mean, I rarely use it for spells being cast [Witch hunt for announcing, and cast bars on unit frames to see how long], although they are a little handy for untargeted mobs/players
I suppose my main use is keeping track of crowd control and dots on targets [and cooldowns on DRs], and I could just look for another mod that handles that.
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01/16/08, 5:47 PM
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#14
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Warlock
Blackrock
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All I ever really use NECB is to track pally's bubble and mage's iceblock in PvP, the rest I use Incubator, and DoTimers
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01/16/08, 7:05 PM
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Bald Bull
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Originally Posted by Wingalock
All I ever really use NECB is to track pally's bubble and mage's iceblock in PvP, the rest I use Incubator, and DoTimers
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If all you care about are a few simple timers, then something like WoWInterface Downloads : Afflicted is going to be better suited for it then NECB given that tracks basically everything known to man.
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01/16/08, 7:13 PM
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Von Kaiser
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I personally found NECB to be a little bloated, so I switched to antagonist and chronometer (combination of classtimer and DoTimer) which are both Ace addons (I prefer having addons doing as few things as possible, and supplimenting them with other addons instead of a large package). Antagonist has many of NECBs features, but they simply default to off. After finddling around with antagonist I was able to mimic NECB pretty closely.
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01/16/08, 10:30 PM
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Kil'Jaeden
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Originally Posted by Cyn
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Which makes me sad as I do not believe there is another mod besides NECB that can accurately track DRs, which is one of the more important functions of NECB that I use. Hopefully someone can prove me wrong, but if not then we could be without any form of a DR tracker come 2.4, baring the new combat log system proving to be easier to code from.
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01/16/08, 11:07 PM
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Piston Honda
Human Paladin
Das Syndikat (EU)
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I'm using Sorren's Timers. It shows Diminishing Returns, Duration of Buffs, HoTs, DoTs even on several Targets and also Buff Duration from nearby enemies (like Cloak of Shadows, Divine Shield, Ice Block, ...). It basically "learns" all kind of Buffs, DoTs, HoTs when you cast them and you can configurate them afterwards (hide, etc.). There is no option for showing enemy casts, but that's what focus target, target and maybe even target's target castbars are for, IMHO.
I tried Antagonist, ClassTimer, NECB, Chronometer. The only thing that came close to Sorren's Timers was Chronometer, but it shows not as much information (no Diminishing Returns, ....).
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01/17/08, 3:02 AM
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Von Kaiser
Orc Death Knight
Thunderlord
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I'm in the same boat hoping for an NECB fix. I currently use it for the aforementioned PVP times and spawn timers. It's also hella handy for sheeps and my water elemental. In fact I initially embraced it's bloat for the we timer.
Most of the other timer bars I've used seem to be difficult to customize or require so much fiddling to work that they're not worth the effort.
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01/18/08, 7:36 AM
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Death Knight
Frostmane (EU)
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Although may not be exactly the same thing you're looking for, give Afflicted a try. It's the famous MagicTrack addon reworked by Shadowd, he seems to be working very actively on it.
WoWInterface Downloads : Afflicted
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01/25/08, 8:51 AM
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Warrior
Alonsus (EU)
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Originally Posted by Yero
Use Incubator for this. Personally i think you normally dont need both active. Incubator is for PvE and Antagonist for PvP.
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I downloaded and installed Incubater a couple of days ago. Two nights in SSC and it's giving me the strangest timers. I have timers called tamer 1-2, murlock 1-4, colosus 1-2, etc. At least necb gives me more sensible names linked to the bosses. Anyone know if that's a setting I missed?
And thanks to those suggesting classtimer, it does what it says on the tin 
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01/25/08, 5:58 PM
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by LittleHamster
I downloaded and installed Incubater a couple of days ago. Two nights in SSC and it's giving me the strangest timers. I have timers called tamer 1-2, murlock 1-4, colosus 1-2, etc. At least necb gives me more sensible names linked to the bosses. Anyone know if that's a setting I missed?
And thanks to those suggesting classtimer, it does what it says on the tin 
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It's tracking respawns per mob; you can set it to not track timers within a certain duration of one another; frex, all timers within 45 minutes are one timer.
I'm sure you could find a way to edit the names, but I've never had a problem tracking respawns by boss since it clears timers linked to bosses when you kill the boss.
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01/26/08, 9:53 AM
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Rogue
Whisperwind
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I was using Natur Enemy Castbar, but no I am using Antagonist, Classtimer, and Hourglass. I think those three pretty much cover everything. Does anyone else have any suggestions or feedback on what to use with Antagonist ?
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01/26/08, 4:35 PM
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Piston Honda
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I tried Antagonist for a while, and unless they changed the output, I seem to remember a lot of the bars being unreadable due to text size and not being able to re-arrange/abbreviate certain fields to get it all on the bar.
So I'd have 6 bars on my screen all taken up by the name of the mob, and about 3 letters of the actual ability it was timing. I need to install it again to get a good screenshot of waht I'm talking about though. I messed with the scalig options available, but wasn't able to get it as readable as the NECB bars. Has anyone else come across this issue?
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02/04/08, 8:34 PM
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Von Kaiser
Gnome Warrior
Zenedar (EU)
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Is there an addon that displays the timers the same way as Blizzard's debuff duration, "clock"-like? I'm really fond of that method. I'm mostly interested in tracking enemy cooldowns.
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