Natur Enemy Cast Bar replacement? - Page 2

Whitemane · 02/04/08, 7:48 PM

Originally Posted by Onomatopeizator

Is there an addon that displays the timers the same way as Blizzard's debuff duration, "clock"-like? I'm really fond of that method. I'm mostly interested in tracking enemy cooldowns.

I know it's been mentioned two times already, but have you tried Afflicted?

And really the most important aspect for me is the diminishing returns and synchronization with other people in your arena team. It'd be horrible to lose NECB

Olison · 02/05/08, 8:28 AM

NECB will not be lost.
Beladonna will take over development: WoWInterface Downloads : Combat Mods : Natur EnemyCastBar
But i just read he/she is turning it into a library of sorts, let's see how that works out.

nj00s · 02/07/08, 7:16 PM

Originally Posted by Unaz

I tried Antagonist for a while, and unless they changed the output, I seem to remember a lot of the bars being unreadable due to text size and not being able to re-arrange/abbreviate certain fields to get it all on the bar.

So I'd have 6 bars on my screen all taken up by the name of the mob, and about 3 letters of the actual ability it was timing. I need to install it again to get a good screenshot of what I'm talking about though. I messed with the scaling options available, but wasn't able to get it as readable as the NECB bars. Has anyone else come across this issue?

I started using Antagonist last week, and must say I prefer it to NECB. The bars are easier to get the way I want them as Antagonist uses the Ace-libs.
NECB also does a lot of things I don't really need, never found a way to disable these without disabling some of the things I actually wanted the addon for.
Your issue may be Font related. I changed the font to Bazooka (one I use for Unit Frames and Parrot/SCT) when I started to use Antagonist, no problem reading for me. I scaled it up alot too, because the bars where very small by default.

Unaz · 02/08/08, 2:27 PM

Yeah, I've been putting off redoing my UI (mainly as once I start changing my buttons around I can't go back to my old UI), but when I do, I'll give Antagonist another shot. The issue I had was almost definitely font related, and possibly related to putting the character names before the ability name.

I'll devote more time into fiddling with the fonts and tags it uses to see what happens.

Karmen · 02/08/08, 4:14 PM

I'll put my vote in for Sorren's being the best NECB replacement out there. It's a bit unwieldy at first but once you figure it out you can do quite a wide range of things with it. Multiple anchor points, DR tracking, etc.

Davor · 03/31/08, 8:16 AM

I'll put my vote in for Sorren's being the best NECB replacement out there. It's a bit unwieldy at first but once you figure it out you can do quite a wide range of things with it. Multiple anchor points, DR tracking, etc.

I will have to try Sorren's but do you know how good it is for multiple classes? I have a mage, lock, druid, pally and use each for different instances. The biggest part of NECB I love is the sheep track timer without having the sheep selected. I believe someone said about the Water Elemental as well.

Marroc · 03/31/08, 8:19 AM

NECB is still under development, just no longer by natur himself.

As far as I understand it, big changes are in store for it in the ways of efficiency and ease of use, but they will be gradual changes.

Karmen · 03/31/08, 9:48 PM

Originally Posted by Davor

I will have to try Sorren's but do you know how good it is for multiple classes? I have a mage, lock, druid, pally and use each for different instances. The biggest part of NECB I love is the sheep track timer without having the sheep selected. I believe someone said about the Water Elemental as well.

Out of the box it may not be perfectly setup for each class. I believe it does guess somewhat but it really doesn't take much work to add or subtract spells to be tracked or not tracked.

seanb · 04/08/08, 6:00 PM

Bumping this because I need a replacement since 2.4, any ideas?

khangg · 04/08/08, 6:04 PM

I've used NECB and SorrenTimers. I like SorrenTimers a lot better. They both do the same thing, essentially.

seanb · 04/08/08, 8:53 PM

Originally Posted by khangg

I've used NECB and SorrenTimers. I like SorrenTimers a lot better. They both do the same thing, essentially.

Sorren timers just doesn't seem as 'complete' I suppose.

Baalzaman · 04/08/08, 10:10 PM

There is a working 2.4 compatible version of nECB by Beladona up at WoWInterface Downloads : Combat Mods : Natur EnemyCastBar

Apparently there is a complete-from-the-ground-up rewrite up in the works from the same author.

Marroc · 04/09/08, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by seanb

Bumping this because I need a replacement since 2.4, any ideas?

Natur EnemyCastBar | World of Warcraft Addons | Curse

Download version 8.7.6 alpha.

Baggles · 04/09/08, 3:22 PM

The Alpha NECB is quite buggy and the author that has taken up the cause has stated that it will be basically completely reworked. For now, I'd advise to pick up DoTimer and Antagonist and do your best until the full addon gets up and running. As has been mentioned, it is definitely an alpha phase.

Marroc · 04/09/08, 6:05 PM

Originally Posted by Baggles

The Alpha NECB is quite buggy and the author that has taken up the cause has stated that it will be basically completely reworked. For now, I'd advise to pick up DoTimer and Antagonist and do your best until the full addon gets up and running. As has been mentioned, it is definitely an alpha phase.

? I've not had a problem with it outside of it not picking up a few timers occasionally (Usually things like seduce when cast on a mob I'm not targeting).

Other than that it's been exactly like the old necb.

Baggles · 04/09/08, 6:50 PM

Did you have to can your config files for NECB in order to get it to show DR, cooldowns, or trash respawn?

Baggles · 04/11/08, 12:43 PM

Of note (posted 4/10):

Originally Posted by Beladona

I would not suggest anyone use the version available on svn. It is horribly buggy code and very experimental. I always make sure what I put there works before committing, but needless to say what is committed isn't likely to have every feature available yet.

I know I promosed a beta version this weekend, but we are still trying to convert the spell database over to the new format, and after some further testing we are discovering that the spell datbase may need more revisions to make it work better on your memory and cpu. There are a LOT of spells to account for. You can't just stick one entry in for say "Flame Shock" as technically there are 15 to 25 different spell id's that match Flame Shock, and we need them all since any of them could be utilized by an npc (only 7 are usable by players).

Anyway, you get the idea. To give you a tastey morsel though:
http://wdnaddons.com/develop/necb/test2.jpg

Zlet · 04/11/08, 4:12 PM

I was using NECB, and have tried sorrens and antagonist, but neither seem to do what I want. I am trying to track my cyclone time left, while sorrens will do this it does not track my focus targets cyclone and it loses my targets cyclone timer when i select another target. Any ideas on an addon that would work?

shii · 04/11/08, 5:43 PM

Originally Posted by Zlet

I was using NECB, and have tried sorrens and antagonist, but neither seem to do what I want. I am trying to track my cyclone time left, while sorrens will do this it does not track my focus targets cyclone and it loses my targets cyclone timer when i select another target. Any ideas on an addon that would work?

I second that!

Baggles · 04/11/08, 6:46 PM

As was mentioned earlier, DoTimer is still awesome. Maintains bars, keeps a focus bar, shows player gains, multiple targets, and is nice and customizable and easy to use. The only reason I want NECB back over it is the enemy gains/cooldowns/DR/trash respawn integration, and that is what seems completely broken as of right now.

Aranan · 04/12/08, 8:01 AM

Originally Posted by Zlet

I was using NECB, and have tried sorrens and antagonist, but neither seem to do what I want. I am trying to track my cyclone time left, while sorrens will do this it does not track my focus targets cyclone and it loses my targets cyclone timer when i select another target. Any ideas on an addon that would work?

For now, you can pick up Class Timers and enable the target/focus bars. The target bars still clears itself if you select a new target, but it will at least give you some focus timers.

whysoez · 04/13/08, 9:36 PM

I use Antagonist in conjunction with Sorren's. The biggest problem I find, aside from not having focus bars (I don't really need them as a Warrior in PVP) is that Antagonist does not seem to clear the cast bar when you interrupt a cast. I find that I'm working around this by just being more aware and paying attention, but it's not very reliable. I often get "juked" more easily in arena because of this, and sometimes my mace stun will go off and I don't realize it so I waste a pummel.

Is this just a problem with my configuration (I've checked all the settings I found) or is this not a feature in Antagonist?

BoomBeef · 04/18/08, 8:21 PM

I primarily used NECB for PvP and I liked the PvE module tracking re-spawns too.

The alpha version linked above at Cursed is horribly broken from what I can tell after trying it.
The early beta posted by Beladon at wowinteface is also too new and lacking to be honestly recommended to be a replacement. Maybe a few months down the line?

My experiences with Sorrens' have been somewhat unsatisfying in the past but I will try them again. Is the version at wowace.com an update to the one linked above by khangg?

I found this on Antagonist: Antagonist Info Page
I'll give that a try too and if anyone uses both maybe they can give us some additional feedback.

Pagarth · 04/22/08, 9:03 PM

Well, sort of bumping this post with a question. Is there any mod that works with 2.4 to provide accurate timers for Dots, Hots, short term buffs (Innervate for example), and CC in a nice clean candy bar type format? I know theres Class timers but that only does target and focus. Does anyone know? I don't really need tracking of enemy stuff or respawn timers. I can use Antagonist for that and respawn timers is irrelevant to me. Thanks.

Luxus · 04/22/08, 10:21 PM

Sorrens get alot of updates from drizt
WoWInterface Downloads : Plug-Ins & Patches : Sorren's Timers (2.4)
it is support stacks, guid (u can see different debuffs from mobs with the same name), use spell ids
for enemy spells and cooldowns i use affliced2 WoWInterface Downloads : PvP/Arena/BattleGrounds : Afflicted2

since yesterday i use for my rogue RBM V2 for debuff tracking..

enemy cooldowns will be posible soon
the author apoco want to make it as a full necb replacement.

at the moment you can get the fully working alpha from the branches of wowace.
i testing it and really love it.. looking forward