WoW and FRAPS - Page 6

Brokenwall · 09/11/08, 4:53 AM

First off to the original poster I would like to know why you have dual 8800GTs on that motherboard, unless you plan on going to a 650/680/750/780/790i board you won't be using SLI ever.

First thing for me, on my system, Fraps does fine and Im recording to the drive my OS and WoW are on.

Make sure that your using the newest legal version of the application, and start off by trying to record at 30fps half resolution, trust me trying to push full 1280x1024 is very hard, I have only seen it done easily on a triple raptor 74GB raid.

Bluerose · 09/12/08, 3:12 AM

Originally Posted by Brokenwall

First off to the original poster I would like to know why you have dual 8800GTs on that motherboard, unless you plan on going to a 650/680/750/780/790i board you won't be using SLI ever.

First thing for me, on my system, Fraps does fine and Im recording to the drive my OS and WoW are on.

Make sure that your using the newest legal version of the application, and start off by trying to record at 30fps half resolution, trust me trying to push full 1280x1024 is very hard, I have only seen it done easily on a triple raptor 74GB raid.

Full screen at 1280x1024 should be a walk in the park for any dual core machine which "should" be around the norm for most people nowadays, anything less and you'll only notice a performance hit if you have an old GPU card. Also recording to different hard drives is an old wifes tale, while it may work for Joe Bloggs that's more than likely down to system configuration or driver shortcomings. (which can be seen in the latest Catalyst 8.8's or even going back to when the Nvidia 8800 was released).

Caryna · 09/12/08, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Bluerose

Also recording to different hard drives is an old wifes tale, while it may work for Joe Bloggs that's more than likely down to system configuration or driver shortcomings. (which can be seen in the latest Catalyst 8.8's or even going back to when the Nvidia 8800 was released).

I strongly disagree. I have a reasonable up-to-date system (Quad Core CPU, 8gig RAM, 64bit OS, 8800GTX OC2 768MB, 150gig Raptor as C: drive) and yet the performance hit when FRAPS'ing to C: is massive compared to FRAPS'ing to a dedicated drive.

Bluerose · 09/12/08, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Caryna

I strongly disagree. I have a reasonable up-to-date system (Quad Core CPU, 8gig RAM, 64bit OS, 8800GTX OC2 768MB, 150gig Raptor as C: drive) and yet the performance hit when FRAPS'ing to C: is massive compared to FRAPS'ing to a dedicated drive.

Frapsing for two years, dealing with a dozen or so other frapsers who provide me with footage and none report the same problems. Again I assert it is to do with your system configuration/ driver's.

Brokenwall · 09/12/08, 4:30 PM

Originally Posted by Bluerose

Frapsing for two years, dealing with a dozen or so other frapsers who provide me with footage and none report the same problems. Again I assert it is to do with your system configuration/ driver's.

Before I start a big arguement here, I am not saying recording to a different drive is going to always give you an increase. But the problem with FRAPS is it can only record as quick as it can write to the Drive, so recording a full 1280x1024 resolution will put most single SATA drives to the limit bandwidth. In this case a RAID array of drives will allow better bandwidth and a more constant write rate. This is what I was speaking about. It may of been a misunderstanding when you read my post.

Yes I have a Dual-Core machine and I use to record 1600x1200 at half resolution which returned a 800x600 video when I use to have a 7900gtx because I didn't have a the hard drive thoughput in order to handle the video. Now because I have upgraded to a 9800gtx I am still unable to record that full 1600x1200 though my computer is better, I am still using the three same 250GB SATA drives. There are many things that come into play when trying to record video, specially when trying to play a game at the same time on the same machine.

Bluerose · 09/12/08, 4:48 PM

Originally Posted by Brokenwall

trust me trying to push full 1280x1024 is very hard, I have only seen it done easily on a triple raptor 74GB raid.

I guess this was the statement I was most referring too. Also with your listed spec and to the poster in between its crazy to think Fraps would be so badly optimized that you are forced to use a separate hard drive to record footage due to write bandwidth limitations. Heck even posters in this thread have proved you can fraps with great performance on machines well under or matching your specs.

Check their replies and some of the trouble shooting methods for possible causes of your problems before coming down hard on Fraps. (No I don't get paid for plugging!)

Brokenwall · 09/12/08, 9:43 PM

Originally Posted by Bluerose

I guess this was the statement I was most referring too. Also with your listed spec and to the poster in between its crazy to think Fraps would be so badly optimized that you are forced to use a separate hard drive to record footage due to write bandwidth limitations. Heck even posters in this thread have proved you can fraps with great performance on machines well under or matching your specs.

Check their replies and some of the trouble shooting methods for possible causes of your problems before coming down hard on Fraps. (No I don't get paid for plugging!)

Really first off I don't ever remember posting my specs of my system on this forum anywhere, cause in my eyes specs of a computer system don't really change anything except how well the game plays and how pretty it looks.

I stand my ground that FRAPS and others like GameCAM have problems pushing alot of recorded data to a hard drives that can't substain a decent thoughput. Even FRAPS states that back before v2.0 that recommended you to use a 10K rpm drive in order to attempt to record 1024x768 resolution.

Bluerose · 09/13/08, 1:47 AM

No offense but ..."Dual-Core machine, 7900gtx, 9800gtx, three same 250GB SATA drives".

As for your last point about hard drive throughput...no one is arguing against this. I merely stated the specifications you and a third poster listed were more than enough for FRAPS, exemplified by posts in this thread.

Caryna · 09/16/08, 9:31 AM

Originally Posted by Brokenwall

Make sure that your using the newest legal version of the application, and start off by trying to record at 30fps half resolution, trust me trying to push full 1280x1024 is very hard, I have only seen it done easily on a triple raptor 74GB raid.

1280x1024 full at 30 fps shouldn't be a problem for any less than 3 year old PC. Back in the days when Naxxramas meant progression I used to FRAPS our wipes to show how moronic people played/"danced" at Heigan and so on. The system back in those days was a 3.06GHz P4 (single core, hyper threaded) with an ATI 1950XTX graphics board and the hard discs were a far cry off raptors or raid configs (more like a good old 160gig ATA133 Seagate Medalist). If you PM me I can give you a link to some of those videos in case you don't believe me (or you just want to see 40 people from Paradigma/Terenas (EU) die in a good old fashioned way, heh).

Marieth · 09/19/08, 8:43 AM

I have to agree with Caryna.
I fraps all my videos at 1280x1024 full resolution with 25fps (PAL here, so 30 is a waste). I record to a partition of a seperate hard disk (no wow or the OS on that HDD), the harddisk is a 500gig S-ATA from seagate.
I have no problems during raids or arena, of course my framerates goes to arround 20-24, but that is perfectly playable.
Rest of my machines specs: AMD dual core 5000+, 2gig RAM, 1600GT Radeon. So nothing fancy.
I edit my videos with sony vegas and render them with the sony version of the H.264 codec at 1024*768 most of the time.
Quality is good enough to read the guild chat and see the hitpoints of enemys.

So I cant understand what all this "You need an 10krpm harddisk, or some fancy raidsetup to record at full resolution" talking is about. Sure that might help when recording in 1600 or greater, but why stress it if 1280 gives you pretty good quality.

blecap · 09/23/08, 4:23 PM

Below is my rig. Whenever i fraps, its so "heavy" and laggy the top corner of the number is showing 25FPS. Fraps settings is at Half-size @ 25fps.

Asus P5B-E Plus
Intel Core2duo E6400
2093 mb ddr2 RAM. ( but only using 2GB as i'm on XP 32bit )
258MB Nvidia GeForce 7900GS
250GB HDD

Using the latest Fraps version. My desktop resolution at 1280 x 768, Wow resolution at 1440 x 900. I love some help over here

• Chicken · 09/23/08, 5:50 PM

Originally Posted by blecap

Below is my rig. Whenever i fraps, its so "heavy" and laggy the top corner of the number is showing 25FPS. Fraps settings is at Half-size @ 25fps.

Asus P5B-E Plus
Intel Core2duo E6400
2093 mb ddr2 RAM. ( but only using 2GB as i'm on XP 32bit )
258MB Nvidia GeForce 7900GS
250GB HDD

Using the latest Fraps version. My desktop resolution at 1280 x 768, Wow resolution at 1440 x 900. I love some help over here

I'm pretty sure Fraps limits your frame rate to whatever it's recording at while active. So if you've set it to record at 25 FPS, and you're getting 25 FPS, then everything is working like it should.

Nynx · 05/29/09, 4:41 AM

Well, besides digging up an old post, i would like to know what im doing wrong here or what it is actually. First time im rendering a movie, so please, bare with me...

- My rig is a Core 2 Quad with 6gb RAM and a Nvidia 7900 GTX and using Windows 7 RC1 atm.

Just frapsed a yogg kill for the guild and atm, i'm done with my project on vegas and so on, so, im trying to render it on a WMV 9 customized setup, with a 1680x1052 resolution.
The problem i'm having here is that, when im about to render my movie, it just crashes at 2% saying that the program has stopped working...

Now, anyone got any idea why's this happening ? Is the whole movie files in the project too long that it "bugs" vegas ? Is it the setup that i chose for it to render ?

I can change the setup without any problem, but i only want full and best quality...and being this my first project, i was influenced by some "how to render in HD" vids on youtube...so, if anyone got any tips, they're all welcome !

Anyways, back to my problem.... first time i rendered (was playing wow), it crashed, second time (was playing wow) it passed 2%, was on 5% when i cancel it because i was having some breakdown ingame and thought i would render it later on ....but after that, it just crashes every single time on 2%...

Any tips ?

chaud · 05/31/09, 3:08 PM

Don't use WMV, just render to an mp4. If you want more control over the output, set the mp4 settings to wastefully high, then rerender the file with x264, any GUI will do.

Lollersk8er · 06/02/09, 7:39 AM

Has anyone tested frapsing with a SSD hard disk?