I haven't found a good replacement for FriendFu and GuildFU. I tried the one with SL but it isn't organized neatly and doesn't allow me to alt-click invites or see what zones my raid is in clearly. Many others like DurabilityFU are huge as well and mentioned above. No good replacement if I can't mouseover and get an idea of what armor condition is piece by piece. PerformanceFU & ClockFU can be replaced with Lynstats which I did about a month ago. It was nice to get a breakdown finally addon by addon on mem usage. Would love to know cpu usage on mouseover as well. Going to try this out now since 2.4 is out and may as well tweak all mods.
First of all thanks funkydude for your work. Really enjoying every of your add ons. I have Stat blocks installed since the release of it (to replace CML basically).
I'm using fubar for some simple reasons:
1. Auto align and no hassle to manage. Yes there is a numeric value for position in SB but i'm not really convince. Especially if you try to increase the amount of module. A solution could be to be able to create some kind of stack (horizontal or vertical).
2. Auto hiding. Well it's sounds silly but i kinda like to have a clean interface while i'm raiding. I use bartender for the same reasons.
3. Amount of plug ins. Even if, at the end of the day i'm using maybe 10 max.But choice does matter (mostly the little one who count how many jump i did).
That's pretty much it.
SB got great potential.
Thanks for all the input everyone, I'm currently concentrating on adding more customization to the blocks, having finished the API re-write I'm moving onto adding coloring options and text selection to plugins. Such as choosing the "FPS" text and coloring it separately from the value.
In other news I've taken Silverstorm on board who is making some very nice blocks including DPS, MeleeStats, RangedStats, Bags, Honour, Coords and apparently more to come :o
I'd like input on the thought of icons in such Blocks, would anyone find this a useful feature?
Might be silly (like most of my ideas :p), but would it be possible to make block(s) that emulate fubar ?
Sort of like the old adage about the mountain and Muhammad and what not. If that's even remotely possibly, I'm quite sure moving over to that platform would be.. a tad easier.
I'm using fubar for all the same reasons as the posters in this thread. It's just handy and "everything" works with / plugs into it.
Add something that lets fubar-compatible addons drop into (a) block(s) and make the blocks able to "click" into eachother and / or align (if wanted) and you have a winner. If a (Series) of block(s) would be able to autohide and show up as well, I'd roll with it.
The added bonus of such a thing would be the ability to use it *as* blocks in addition to be fubar-ish.
I'd venture a guess and say that most people have been using Titanbar -> Fubar for so long, it'll be amazingly hard to switch them over to various blocks around their UI.
(That being said, blocks that would allow for fubar plugins directly would be handy and less troublesome then custom, small fubars here and there.)
(That being said, blocks that would allow for fubar plugins directly would be handy and less troublesome then custom, small fubars here and there.)
I agree, while I will still probably use fubar for menus and things like a 'taskbar' across my screen, it has totally replaced SLC for me and mostly replaced powerinfo (once ranged get written). Adding a plug in for fubar may switch me over completely, if I could live without profiles! Great work so far, I am really enjoying the modularness of it all and am looking forward to slick new custom blocks like the dogtag one!
What I'd like is some form of mouse over options, for more detailed options. Like mousing over the Durability Block shows a list of my items with %ages, and mousing over memory showing what add ons are using what. Not knowing alot about how you have written the AddOn I don't know if this is doable, but if it is you could make something to replace fu_guild and fu_friends.
Otherwise I really like the AddOn. The Caster Stats Block is nice for my epeen too .
[e] And a Profile system maybe, because now I have to redo the settings for every character.
[e2] Copied the settings around with the SavedVariable file, but yeah, you get my point.
What I'd like is some form of mouse over options, for more detailed options. Like mousing over the Durability Block shows a list of my items with %ages, and mousing over memory showing what add ons are using what. Not knowing alot about how you have written the AddOn I don't know if this is doable, but if it is you could make something to replace fu_guild and fu_friends.
Otherwise I really like the AddOn. The Caster Stats Block is nice for my epeen too .
[e] And a Profile system maybe, because now I have to redo the settings for every character.
[e2] Copied the settings around with the SavedVariable file, but yeah, you get my point.
The OnClick/Mouseover is really the next step in things, the DPS block being the example of the first to recive this functionality, where clicking the block will reset to 0. Also, profiles is on the todo ;p
I'd like input on the thought of icons in such Blocks, would anyone find this a useful feature?
e.g. [ICON]FPS: 10
This would take away one of my uses of FuBar, so I'd say it's useful. Perhaps a block that is for "minimap buttons" which end up being the same (sorta) as the little fubar plugin entries? The left hand portion of my fubar is a double-row of plugins that don't need to show me text, so I have "show text" unchecked. It looks rather like the microsoft windows' system tray. That'd be a great block, moreso if clicks on those would launch the rock config for the chosen module (too much?) as well.
Thanks again for your work on so many amazing addons; I'm looking forward to that ranged block.
For me the profiles is also an important thing...for some addons I want the same settings no matter what, but for others I want different profiles per character, or even per spec...with fubar I can simply use the profiles to take care of that. Many addons have all the functionality from the menu also in slash commands but it's a hassle to have to type it all out, and spell it exactly right etc.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm not very good with LUA, but lately I've been wanting a replacement for fubar thats completely compatible. I've been playing around with the idea of attempting to create this addon, and I've been reading through the LUA files in Fubar and the Libs ect. What I would love to come up with is a much lighter version of fubar. A LUA created frame only configurable in the LUA file that simply mimics Fubar so that fubar plugins will automatically parent themselves to it. (haven't acctually found the "Parent" line in any Fubar addons yet, so I'm not sure how they attach yet) If I actually found some people with enough LUA experience to help me create this addon, it would be reduced to a menu-less, textureless (could be added in the LUA), unmovable through the game i.e.: click and drag, simple minimalist low memory addon following in the foot steps of the omods, rmods, ect. I realize this doesn't really help you figure out why people still use fubar, but just to echo everyone else, there are just too many addons that have fubar as a required dependancy that are really so useful and fun that fubar just isn't something many people want to give up. If you make your addon mimic fubar and allow fubar plugins to plug into your addon that maybe enough for a lot of people to switch.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm not very good with LUA, but lately I've been wanting a replacement for fubar thats completely compatible. I've been playing around with the idea of attempting to create this addon, and I've been reading through the LUA files in Fubar and the Libs ect. What I would love to come up with is a much lighter version of fubar. A LUA created frame only configurable in the LUA file that simply mimics Fubar so that fubar plugins will automatically parent themselves to it. (haven't acctually found the "Parent" line in any Fubar addons yet, so I'm not sure how they attach yet) If I actually found some people with enough LUA experience to help me create this addon, it would be reduced to a menu-less, textureless (could be added in the LUA), unmovable through the game i.e.: click and drag, simple minimalist low memory addon following in the foot steps of the omods, rmods, ect. I realize this doesn't really help you figure out why people still use fubar, but just to echo everyone else, there are just too many addons that have fubar as a required dependancy that are really so useful and fun that fubar just isn't something many people want to give up. If you make your addon mimic fubar and allow fubar plugins to plug into your addon that maybe enough for a lot of people to switch.
Statblocks is designed to be extremely minimal, using no libraries other than a small amount of Ace3 and coming in at around 25kb. Which will be cut down further once I fix a few kinks with the config. Your idea would require me to bloat it up way too much and simply would not be worth it, it is also out of the scope of the addon. Last I checked FuBar alone takes up over 100kb, then add to that the massive rock libs, no thanks.
Icons: Durability is recently the first to recieve an icon since it lacks a decent label, I think writing 'durability' is just ugly. Icon is removable and sizeable.
Block choice: There is actually quite a lot of blocks available now so (In my opinion) it is becoming on-par with FuBar, with the most intreaging blocks being the class specific stats like MeleeStats and the DPS block.
What's next? Well according to input from this thread the whole mouseover for extras is a hit, so I'm going to fiddle with the memory block to show memory usage of all addons, but I'll make it optional and very minimal
I'm currently looking to find out what the main things are that keep people using FuBar and why. Just write up an explanation and why you like such and such feature, what it does for you etc.
The Closet Gnome Sets menu. I also see Gold, fps, Durability and time on Fubar but that would be replaceble with Statblocks or any other minimal Addon like it.
I've incorporated Statblocks into my UI to remove a lot of the fu clutter like durability, location, lag, etc. I still have fubar, but it's transparent and hides until mouseover and even then only contains plugins for other addons like aloft, grid, closetgnome, mr plow. I'm constantly looking to slim down my UI as much as possible and Statblocks has allowed for that, so thanks!
I just wrote StatBlocks_Omen which is the first of it's kind, it will hide the minimap icon. Left click to toggle the omen window, right click to toggle the omen config, customizable via /sb (hide the icon or change the text)
I also did some major changes to StatBlocks tonight, it now uses the Blizz options panel, it uses functions for all it's config to reduce memory from options and all the blocks have their own profiling options.
Information on the bar has no chance of overlapping if placed next to each other, if one thing grows wider, the rest move over to make room.
Functional tooltips which allow me to view a large amount of information when needed, and change options/etc.
A large amount of addon developers create modules for FuBar, which makes an even more functional addon which interfaces with your other addons.
I think the concept of the bar itself, and the ease of use, is what makes people happy. No need to drag things around and align them perfectly, information is concealed inside it's frame.
I think to make a successful replacement for FuBar you would need (you may have some of these already):
An easy way to snap frames together and lock them to any side of another frame. e.g. Locking the bottom-left corner of the clock frame to the top-left side of the netstat frame. This would be a powerful option which would make many people happy. If you could build it so it snaps while dragging, and a red dot appears where the snap point is -- win win win. To show you what I mean:
Global font sizes/faces and color schemes is a must, but also customizable per frame. Also, background texture would be a bonus.
Anything you can do to make it as or more functional as FuBar (optional tooltips?)
Also, make it easy for addon developers to add modules and you will save yourself a lot of hard work
I just wrote StatBlocks_Omen which is the first of it's kind, it will hide the minimap icon. Left click to toggle the omen window, right click to toggle the omen config, customizable via /sb (hide the icon or change the text)
I also did some major changes to StatBlocks tonight, it now uses the Blizz options panel, it uses functions for all it's config to reduce memory from options and all the blocks have their own profiling options.
That SB_Omen AddOn does indeed win, keep them coming.
Something to clamp stuff together, like the Bartender feature would be welcome. Some other problem I got is, if I put my Omen thing too close to the clock, or any other StatBlock I can't click it. The frames seems to be too big for each Block in a way.
Information on the bar has no chance of overlapping if placed next to each other, if one thing grows wider, the rest move over to make room.
Functional tooltips which allow me to view a large amount of information when needed, and change options/etc.
A large amount of addon developers create modules for FuBar, which makes an even more functional addon which interfaces with your other addons.
I think the concept of the bar itself, and the ease of use, is what makes people happy. No need to drag things around and align them perfectly, information is concealed inside it's frame.
I think to make a successful replacement for FuBar you would need (you may have some of these already):
An easy way to snap frames together and lock them to any side of another frame. e.g. Locking the bottom-left corner of the clock frame to the top-left side of the netstat frame. This would be a powerful option which would make many people happy. If you could build it so it snaps while dragging, and a red dot appears where the snap point is -- win win win. To show you what I mean:
Global font sizes/faces and color schemes is a must, but also customizable per frame. Also, background texture would be a bonus.
Anything you can do to make it as or more functional as FuBar (optional tooltips?)
Also, make it easy for addon developers to add modules and you will save yourself a lot of hard work
Thanks for the input, and yeah it's very very easy to make a Block, 70% is copy and pasteying from another block usually, I'm also working on tooltips, _Omen being the first to get one, going to do one on the _Memory one soon.
Originally Posted by nj00s
That SB_Omen AddOn does indeed win, keep them coming.
Something to clamp stuff together, like the Bartender feature would be welcome. Some other problem I got is, if I put my Omen thing too close to the clock, or any other StatBlock I can't click it. The frames seems to be too big for each Block in a way.
I just made an update, that when unlocked, you can increase and decrease the width of the blocks with the mouse wheel. Turn on alpha for a guide.
I just wrote StatBlocks_Omen which is the first of it's kind, it will hide the minimap icon. Left click to toggle the omen window, right click to toggle the omen config, customizable via /sb (hide the icon or change the text)
Couldn't you do this for Closet Gnome too? If it could bring up the "config" via rightclick that would be the one thing for me to make Fubar absolutely obsolete
I currently use both FuBar and StatBlocks - a hidden mouseover fubar at the top to store irregularly needed information and configuration shortcuts (so Durability, guildfu, topscore fu for example, plus links to EEpanels, Yata totem sets etc), with StatBlocks taking care of the clock, latency, and dps indicators, with a DogTag one installed for experimentation. I did try the melee stats StatBlock, but with a G15, it was redundant, so I binned it.
I don't see hidden until mouseover functionality as being something Statblocks "needs", although if it can provide the same functionality as FuBar with lower CPU and memory requirements, then I would happily switch fully across. More customisation of how the visible StatBlocks appear is very much on my wishlist, especially the ability to add a regular or thick outline to text, and a continuation of the ability to alter label and data value appearance separately.
I've added global shadow text which can be turned off in the menu, I've also added alignment options to all blocks and hopefully fixed any outstanding issues with profiles, the omen/recount blocks should no longer open configs when dragged and the ammo & bag blocks now have icons.
I do plan to keep on adding label colouring where possible but I'm also planning on using icons instead of labels on blocks like bags and ammo as I personally think writing 'Bags:' is kinda ugly.
Basically my biggest reason for not entirely switch to statblocks is lacking the bar itself.
I know I know it's statBLOCKS but you mentioned why we will use fubar well basically that's it for me.
In short my answer would be fubar without rock.
also with the modules some I like simple like Money, Durability, Location, Zone, XP, DPS. Those were simple fubar plugins but too much crap got added over time
03/25/08, 6:35 PM
Better than Titan bar at least.
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