Forgive me if this has been answered elsewhere, but I have a simple, dumb question:
When I try to open my raid window mid-combat, it appears in the middle of my screen instead of on the side. In this state, I am unable to move people from one party to another (for mana tide, bloodlust, moving a warlock around when one dies to give the tank imp, etc.). Is this a fixed 2.0 limitation, or do I have a UI mod that is screwing things up?
In case it's the latter, here's a list of my mods:
!!Warmup
!OmniCC
ag_UnitFrames
BigWigs
Bongos
Clique
ElkBuffBar
FuBar
(Various FuBar plugins)
GMail
GotWood
Grid
HealPoints
ItemRack
KLHThreatMeter
MCP
MobHealth
oCB
OneBag
oRA2
Prat
sct
SimpleCombatLog
SimpleMiniMap
Skinner
SW_Stats
TinyTip
WitchHunt
XRS
Load Wow with your interface/wtf folder renamed with zero mods and see if raid group moving works then. If so, then just put it back and disable/re-enable each mod until you find the culprit?
Obviously I could do that, but that'd take a while since I need to enter combat every time I want to test, so I can't just do it on my own in town somewhere. Just wondering if it's a known issue with an easy answer before I spend the time to do it.
That's a shame. I understand not allowing /script commands to rearrange groups because you could use that to make automated mods (e.g., move people who have poison into a group with a poison cleansing totem, dynamically, or whatever), but I don't see the harm in allowing players to manually move people midfight.
Cycling shamans for mana tide where it was needed, or rearranging things midfight to suit changing needs regarding resist auras and such, always struck me as an interesting tactical component of fights. Juggling raid groups while healing a Patchwerk tank, for example, certainly made my life as a raid leader more hectic (but fun!).
Gurg, it must be a mod issue because it has been fixed (probably when they fixed the other taint issues). I know this because when Moroes goes and Garotte's someone, I always open my raid panel and throw them into the SPriest's group. I did it successfully last night, a number of times.
As for which mod it might be, I'm going to guess oRA2, Grid, or agUF. I'm running NurfedUF and CTRA (with about a hundred other mods) and when I hit O and go to the raid frame (not the CTRA frame), I can move at will, in or out of combat.
I know it's not !OCC, Bongos, FuBar, ItemRack, MobHealth, Prat, sct, scl, Skinner, SWS, TinyTip, WitchHunt, or XRS... because I use all of them.
I know everybody abandoned CTRA right after the clusterfuck of 2.0, but it's been pretty stable for raiding these past 3 weeks.
*edit: I also know that on last night's Maulgar kill I was taken out of the tanking-mage group and into the MT/OT group so that I could give them my imp buff. I didn't have leader at that time, but it was mid fight because the other lock got gibbed. I know for a fact I got changed.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the actual problem on Blizzard's end for this was fixed and it was then narrowed down to a mod issue in 2.0. I haven't played around with any raid groups lately, but it wouldn't take long to test this with all mods disabled, narrowing it down to a single mod might be a pain.
This may not help at all, but the box appearing in the middle of your screen triggered a memory. I have found that since you can no longer open your spell book in combat, if you attempt to do so and then press C for your character pane, the pane will appear in the middle of your screen as if the spell book was there. Could something like this be causing your raid frame to be pushed into the middle of your screen, and could the fact that it's in the wrong place be causing your problems? Seems possible.
I'm sure we successfully swapped a group member in combat, last night in Karazhan, using the normal method. It was trash, but the leader was in combat at the time, and her agUF party frames reflected the swap immediately.
This may not help at all, but the box appearing in the middle of your screen triggered a memory. I have found that since you can no longer open your spell book in combat, if you attempt to do so and then press C for your character pane, the pane will appear in the middle of your screen as if the spell book was there. Could something like this be causing your raid frame to be pushed into the middle of your screen, and could the fact that it's in the wrong place be causing your problems? Seems possible.
That was a taint issue that was fixed at the same time they fixed the party swapping issue, so I'm pretty sure it's a mod thing.
I know this because I took the day off last week and was working on updating and rebuilding my mods from scratch and some guildies asked me to help them in Steamvaults when a dps warrior dc'ed. I didn't have my Bongos installed so I had to quickly enable the Blizz bars and Seed of Corruption wasn't on my default bars. So I had to open up the spell book mid fight and cast it from there and it worked fine.
This may not help at all, but the box appearing in the middle of your screen triggered a memory. I have found that since you can no longer open your spell book in combat, if you attempt to do so and then press C for your character pane, the pane will appear in the middle of your screen as if the spell book was there. Could something like this be causing your raid frame to be pushed into the middle of your screen, and could the fact that it's in the wrong place be causing your problems? Seems possible.
That was a taint issue that was fixed at the same time they fixed the party swapping issue, so I'm pretty sure it's a mod thing.
I know this because I took the day off last week and was working on updating and rebuilding my mods from scratch and some guildies asked me to help them in Steamvaults when a dps warrior dc'ed. I didn't have my Bongos installed so I had to quickly enable the Blizz bars and Seed of Corruption wasn't on my default bars. So I had to open up the spell book mid fight and cast it from there and it worked fine.
Hrm, I also cannot open up the spellbook in combat. Alright, time to track this down tonight.
I had thought that Blizz said the Blizz raid panel would allow moving in combat, but not targetting via the raid panel. The issu ethey had was the raid panel was secure, but you could move things via a mod, and taint the ui, as a secure frame that can target someone in combat, is supposed to be a fixed frame.
This may not help at all, but the box appearing in the middle of your screen triggered a memory. I have found that since you can no longer open your spell book in combat, if you attempt to do so and then press C for your character pane, the pane will appear in the middle of your screen as if the spell book was there. Could something like this be causing your raid frame to be pushed into the middle of your screen, and could the fact that it's in the wrong place be causing your problems? Seems possible.
That was a taint issue that was fixed at the same time they fixed the party swapping issue, so I'm pretty sure it's a mod thing.
I know this because I took the day off last week and was working on updating and rebuilding my mods from scratch and some guildies asked me to help them in Steamvaults when a dps warrior dc'ed. I didn't have my Bongos installed so I had to quickly enable the Blizz bars and Seed of Corruption wasn't on my default bars. So I had to open up the spell book mid fight and cast it from there and it worked fine.
Hrm, I also cannot open up the spellbook in combat. Alright, time to track this down tonight.
So, at least its not one of those mods, its also not KTm and big wigs since I only recently re-installed them after having them disabled for a long time while leveling up, yet I still had the issue. I'll try to see if its bongos tonight, cant remember ever disabling it since 2.0...
Okay... we finally brought our first Draeneii shaman to Gruul last night, and he didn't show up at all on CTRA health/mana bars if you have them sorted by class. Has anyone figured out how to get those to show up properly?
I can't help you fix CTRA, but I can recommend that you drop them and use Grid.
As a non-healing raid leader, Grid isn't really all that helpful.
I use raid frames to at a glance see who's online, afk, etc. To make sure I've got a SS in my party and to check cooldowns on mouseover for Soulstone and Rebirth. To see who, specifically, is alive or not by class. And to get responses to a raid readycheck. Grid is fairly intuitive for healers and decursers, but to make it do all of that would require multiple mods and much more real estate. CTRA has tons of limitations, but it does the above things in a nice minimalistic (screensize anyhow) way.
So. Has anyone figured out how to fix it so it displays 9 parties of Pallies and Shaman?
I can't help you fix CTRA, but I can recommend that you drop them and use Grid.
As a non-healing raid leader, Grid isn't really all that helpful.
I use raid frames to at a glance see who's online, afk, etc. To make sure I've got a SS in my party and to check cooldowns on mouseover for Soulstone and Rebirth. To see who, specifically, is alive or not by class. And to get responses to a raid readycheck. Grid is fairly intuitive for healers and decursers, but to make it do all of that would require multiple mods and much more real estate. CTRA has tons of limitations, but it does the above things in a nice minimalistic (screensize anyhow) way.
So. Has anyone figured out how to fix it so it displays 9 parties of Pallies and Shaman?
In that case, even if it wont help you with CTRA, you should probably consider trying the oRA2/Sraid/XRS combo. It sounds like a hassle to install 3 different addons but you gain a lot in flexibility and you move to an all ACE2 solution instead of relying on CTRA "monolithic" approach. Sraid is very minimalistic as far as raidframes go and you get all the soulstone/GoLife/stealth/rebirth/etc stuff through oRA2. And XRS provides a very solid replacement for CTRA raidstatus window for a raidleader. Added Bonus : the day you find a better raidframes addon, you can start using it without replacing the "core" raidaddon (oRA2) or the nifty gadget (XRS).
I had my whole guild move to oRA2 (with the choice of raidframes addon being left open according to class requirements) and we never had any regrets. It's probably something you should consider in the longterm if problems with CTRA keep adding up (I still remember the horrendous lag). But this is just a suggestion, I hope someone will be able to help you out with your problem.
The other key point with oRA is that it's CTRA-compatible. You can switch to oRA2 and still get/send all the relevant syncs and info without requiring others to switch.
Sorry to resurrect an older thread, but did anyone narrow down which mod(s) were the culprit(s)? I cannot move people during combat (even with a mod I wrote, that accepts tells to do it).
I also use ag_uf, oRA2, oCB, fuBar & friends, and probably a good 50 or 60 other Ace2 mods. (Yeah, getting close to that time to trim down the mods again .. heh.)
To borrow the resurrection, do raid leaders just use the standard raid window to move people between groups, or is there a better way to do it? I'd like to be able to set up something that let me switch the shaman in group 1 for the shaman in group 2 for bloodlust or switch warlocks for an imp.
The raid is working well enough, but as a primary healer for Karazhan, it would be easier if I could just click something to do it for me rather than opening the raid panel, dragging and dropping and losing time when I could be and need to be healing.
I was able to combat swap chaman/druids using the WoW raid interface this week. My main addons are:
- oRA2
- Sraidframes
- XRS
- X-perl
- Fubar and tons of plugins (but including oRA2 Cooldown and such)
The other addons have nothing to do with group/raid setup so no need to list them.
So if there's a lockup of the raid groups, it doesnt come from these addons (or at least not in their latest beta versions available from wowace). I remember not being able to combat swap raid members when we raided just after patch 2.0.1. And then came the whole PVE hiatus and I wasnt really able to test since then. X-perl hasnt been updated for a while so I doubt the problem came from this addon.
Or it could've been fixed in 2.0.6 and other patches.
And yes, I agree that a good, well designed, raid template addon would be perfect (ie. use keybindings to switch and allow flexibility for player names or class). Does anything like this exist today?
02/07/07, 12:17 PM
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