• alcaras

Anyone know of a mod that evaluates gear for an MS warrior?

I have one half-written, but if there's something already out there that does this, I'd much prefer to just use instead of continuing coding mine :)

Alternatively, anyone know of a mod that parses tooltips and just weighs stats? I know Jubei's AEP (for Rogues) did this, but it is out of date and somewhat buggy... I'd like a mod I can just drop in weights and have it calculate a sum value for an item, as I'm getting a lot of gear in TBC that's pretty close in gear (the 5 variations of the Perfectly Balanced Cloak, for example).

Thanks!

 

• fuzzy

After using both TankPoints/HealPoints I've been wondering this too. DPSPoints where are you?!

 

sp00n

I did change the .lua code to also include warriors. Unfortunately Jubei hasn't updated his mod so far, so the only thing I can give you is my modded version:
http://sp00n.pytalhost.com/misc/Jubei_AEP_Warrior.rar

The values for rogues are *not* the original ones, as I've adopted them to my needs according to Pf's spreadsheet, and the values for warriors more or less are still based on level 60 (as my warrior alt is still sitting at 61, I haven't made any effort on this yet).

Also note that it won't work without changes with other mods that change the tooltip, like Rating Buster does (it alters the strings, and therefore the AEP won't be calculated properly).
Let me know if you need want to use both Rating Buster and Jubei AEP, you just have to add two lines in the localization.lua.

Item Ranking Rogue [horribly outdated]

 

• Slake

Interestingly, I've been working on a mod to do exactly this for a few days now; given your current spell damage/crit%/hit% it's fairly simple to evaluate how much 1% crit or 1% hit are worth in terms of +damage, and weigh out an item's stats that way (I'm a warlock), so I wrote a quick hack into RatingBuster to add valuations at the bottom of the tooltips. It's been extremely helpful in deciding between two close pieces of gear.

I'm working on getting all the code into it's own addon with a menu for a custom profile where you can assign arbitrary weights to any stat that might be on an item, as well as preset profiles for an arms warrior/fury warrior/combat rogue/fire mage/shadow priest/etc etc. If there's some interest I can post the hacked version of RatingBuster until the new one is done.

+Ma's Reversing

 

• alcaras

sp00n, does your code work with gems and enchants? I know an old version of AEP that I was modding had the limitation it could only find one bonus for a particular stat -- i.e. if you had boots with 15 stamina, 7 agility and a +7 stamina enchant and a +6 stamina gem, it would only find the 15 stamina, because it only looks for each stat once.

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Slake, I'd love to see the hacked version of RatingBuster as I could use it until you finish the customizable on.

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One idea I had (but hadn't had time to implement) was to automatically weigh stats dynamically, based on the stats you already had... i.e. figure out how much e.g. STR it takes to get 1% more average damage on an MS+whitehit+WW combo (warrior's "burst" for pvp), how much +crit to get 1%... then weigh those accordingly to get a DPS weight. Then for a survivability weight, do the same 1% calculation for stamina, armor and resilience. As for how to weigh DPS and Survivability weights, leave that up to the user.

 

• fuzzy

I am definately interested!

 

• Apate

Have you lookced at TheoryCraft2 on curse? It doesn't seem 100%, but the numbers for 1% crit vs. hit vs. Damage vs. AP vs. AGI etc seem decent, at the very least, in a relative sense. Updates are also frequent.

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• alcaras

I've played with TC2 but, I'd really love something akin to how HealPoints modifies item tooltips to show the benefits of a particular item.

TC2's numbers are nice, yes, but they still require me to multiple their numbers by the stats of an item... which I could do faster in a spreadsheet (and have been doing). I'd like a mod where I look at an item, see a value, look at another item, see another value -- assigned according to weights I've designate (or have set up an automatic derivation for).

 

• Slake

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That's essentially what the hacked version does, it takes your current stats, figures out how much spell damage (or ap) 1% crit is worth to you, then converts all the crit/hit on the gear into spell damage (or ap) equivalence and gives you a total value at the bottom. There are currently four valuations, one for Incinerate (since I did write the hack for myself) but also one for warriors, rogues, and cats, though at the moment it only calculates the ap equivalence for white damage. (note that it also assumes you are 70)

Because it takes into account your own stats when looking at items, evaluating items for another class will be unreliable at best; the relative value of items should be fairly stable but exact equivalences are really only valid for equipping that piece of gear yourself.

+Ma's Reversing

 

• Lurchington

Slake, after only a brief once over, your mod seems very similar to the Ace mod DrDamage. what are the major differences?

Apologies if I missed something important.

 

• Slake

LurchDawg: I don't know, I didn't really look for other mods that do the same thing, since I was writing a hack. As far as the more advanced version I'm writing, at this point it's as much for the entertaining coding exercise as it is for the desired functionality, but I'll check out DrDamage.

+Ma's Reversing

 

• alcaras

Thanks again to Slake for posting his version -- I was able to change some of the code to also weigh Stamina, Resilience and Armor and now the mod does precisely what I want it to :)

Thanks very much again!

Also, I came across Pawn:
http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=3999

 

• alcaras

I cannot recommend Pawn highly enough -- I've been using it for several days now and it's quite awesome.

I set up a "TankPoints" point configuration (using the TankPoints' panels' numbers) as well as a PvP point configuration (using a modified version of the formulas Slake included in his addon)... this makes comparing gear a snap.

Screenshot:

 

sp00n

Thanks, will take a look at Pawn then.

As for your question alcaras, I just edited the mod so that warriors are included as well, I did not fix whatever bug there was still present or added new features besides that.
And sorry for the late answer. :x

Item Ranking Rogue [horribly outdated]

 

Scorps

I just downloaded Pawn the other day, and so far I must say it's excellent, however I don't know very good values to set it up for, due to me not really being able to decide what is best :P

Does anyone have a good set of weight values for a hunter, for primarily PvE, but if you had a PvP setup, I'd take that also


Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated, and I know you guys are the ones to help me out with the number crunching for maximum effect!

 

◊ Malan

Same as above - anyone have good weight values for enhance shaman?

 

◊ Lord BEEF

I'd imagine it'd be a lot of work but to have a version of this that works for just about every class would be awesome.

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Demi9OD

This is my Hunter PVE pawn setup, relative to AP. I run with ~2300ap and 22% crit fully buffed (incl LoTP), and these are the numbers I get from Lactose' spreadsheet. I judge mp/5 and stamina on my own, and just let pawn do the DPS calcs. All sockets are assumed to house 6agi gems, as they are the best gems for cheap (Blood Garnetts only like 2g). Hit rating should be taken with a grain of salt, since you need trivial amounts to cap out on trash and slightly more for bosses. If you have 3/3 surefooted you could even remove the hit rating value completely, as I doubt any combo of decent gear would ever drop you under 8.6%.

["Intellect"] = 0.45,
["RedSocket"] = 13.2,
["CritRating"] = 1.9,
["MetaSocket"] = 20,
["Agility"] = 2.2,
["HitRating"] = 2,
["BlueSocket"] = 13.2,
["YellowSocket"] = 13.2,
["Rap"] = 1,
["Ap"] = 1,

 

Scorps

Thanks, those seem to be pretty good numbers, although I would still like to have some more input, just so I can feel out for myself exactly how much I should be focusing on stats.

Until more people post their setup though, I'll be running with exactly your numbers

 

Celandro

I always thought that the proper way to set up this type of mod would be to tie it to actual damage numbers. Basically you would record a fairly long dps grind (bout an hour should do) and then have an option to use that as your baseline for stat allocation. Then the mod would do the same type of things the spreadsheets do and calculate how much 1 additional point of each stat would do based off the real dps. The tricky parts are things like flurry and rage generation.

 

◊ Malan

You know what, I'd settle for a mod that would show me what the differences were when I compare two items and one has something like +5 DPS but the other has +1% hit, or an item of gear has Agility but the other has Crit. I'm terrible at figuring out which is better.

 

hiro

Pawn looks perfect for what I (and everyone above me) was aking for.

Just set up the value you assign to each stat and roll.

My old 1.0 values were:

healing:
1.0 stam
0.7 +heal
1.3 int
3.0 +mp5
1.0 spellcrit rating

I can't wait to plug these into Pawn and go home and evaluate my gear. Gotta make a tanking and solo set of values too.

 

Miaxi

Pawn is an interesting addon. I am pondering following values for elemental shaman PvE setup:

[numbers were messed up, look on next page if you are interested in better ones]

Yellow socket holds 8 crit rating gem, red for 9 spell power and blue for 3 mp/5 or 8 stam, meta for the 12 spell power meta.

 

Jo

Any chance you'd be willing to post your values?

 

◊ Kalman

Pawn seems pretty slick so far, I must say.

Just one thing I'd note: there's an easy function for exporting/importing valuesets built into it. Let's use that, rather than posting value arrays.

To get a value string out:

/pawn export Name

To import a value string:

/pawn import

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