Warning for Blacksen: 4. Whining in any form is forbidden.

• malthrin · 07/26/10, 3:02 PM

Post: Cataclysm Raid Progression Refinements
User: Blacksen
Infraction: 4. Whining in any form is forbidden.
Points: 0

Administrative Note:

Message to User:

Yeah, Blizzard should just award less prestige points for 10 mans.

The beginning of your post is at least vaguely relevant to the thread, but the end is Grade A Whining. Either:
1) Provide me with sworn statements from your groupies and gold diggers when they move on, citing your poor performance compared to 10 man groups, or;
2) Take that crap to the official forums.

Original Post:

Originally Posted by Ayreon

I really hope they include Drums of Heroism/Bloodlust this time. I know mages are getting it but 2 classes is still too little for such a critical ability.

What happens when there's some heroic boss in the first raid tier that "doesn't require it, but Life Grip makes it a lot easier"? The sad thing about these changes is that, if Blizzard felt like they couldn't require a 10man raid to have at least 1 shaman, how are they going to require 1 priest? Blizzard could have made so many cool encounters with Life Grip. It's a shame that they won't be able to use it for PvE raiding.

Point is, all the forum QQ about "There should be drums of (insert class ability here)" isn't an effective way to design encounters. I'm sure Blizzard is going to make several more "ranged tank" fights, and we'll consequently see a lot of QQ about Warlocks having Demon Armor and Nether Protection. Healthstones and Soulstones are two other abilities that won't be possible to balance. And these abilities really exist for every single class, not just warlocks.

Competitive 10mans are simply going to need one of every class with everyone using dual specs so that when they get to a difficult fight, they can reorganize the raid and reoptimize the roster. Competitive 25mans are no different. A lot of top guilds run with a bloated roster so that whatever encounter they get to, they can guarantee they'll have an optimized group. "Leading edge" 10mans are likely to need the same thing.

Would it be so bad if 10mans lost the "competitive" title? Blizzard could simply admit that 10mans ARE going easier, but they're going to drop the same gear anyway. Most 25man raiders play for the prestige, not the gear. If Blizzard just got rid of the "threat on the prestige of 25mans," I bet a lot of the tension surrounding the issue would die down.

What infuriates me the most about this 10man vs 25man change is simply all the bad raiders going around saying "we're going to be competing with you in Cataclysm with our 10man group." And sadly, they're probably right. Just by the nature of 10man vs 25man, a lot of lesser-skilled groups are probably going to beat us to kills and proceed to hold it over our heads.