Infraction for XI-: Trolling

◊ Praetorian · 05/17/07, 5:02 PM

Post: Raid Sizes and The Future of WoW Raiding
User: XI-
Infraction: Trolling
Points: 1

Administrative Note:Message to User:

I agree with the basic point, and I understand that some of it is your "posting style" but the first paragraph is just straight ad hominem with no real substance. Don't do that.

Original Post:

Originally Posted by Elsia

See let me say stuff that i have said a few times again: I have raided for 18 months in vanilla with a heterogeneous group. Noone needed to step back or accept that they cannot come to raid because they have lesser time commitment.

But it also goes for small-level content. Never did I have to worry if my friends had access. Want to do a UBRS run? Sure lets go, I have the key.

In TBC? Well I heard "sorry don't have rep for heroics" way too often. Access is restricted.

For raiding? Same. Some of my friends are very competent raiders, but they just don't have the time to "put in their new share of effort". In Vanilla it was fine. There was no extra-raid effort that made you "fit for raiding". If you were competent in raid that was enough.

Now? You have to show for online time to grind out rep for the factions, you have to go through more time-intensive time sinks. You have to manage in-instance keying.

So my casual friend doesn't come to high percentage of raids. It can happen that they only come 30%. How look at Kara/Gruul to get into SSC. With bad luck they cannot make one or the other for a long time. Result: Structurally excluded to participate in SSC raids even though they are competent to do so.

I'm sorry. My whole argument is about one thing and one thing only: Access for people with diverse time commitment.

You said "exclude people" I'm sorry that just triggers for me exactly what is wrong here. Excluding people is the opposite of access. Nothing really excluded people in Vanilla. Yay for that. If TBC is about excluding people it's certainly about excluding me (long time raid and class leader).

Your posts are so pathetic they've devolved into downright Blizzard forum level crying. I'm astonished that your still allowed to spew this same trash in every thread on these forums. You're done arguing? Good leave.

Time Commitments? TBC has been out for 4 months. FOUR. 16+ Weeks. Barring a hardware issue I would have been 70 and heroic keyed for every instance in TBC in the first week. I also would have had my KZ key done. Let's say I played 80 hours that week (which I didn't, 80 hours on top of my work schedule would be virtually impossible, I did about 70 during the honor grind, and let me tell you 4hrs a sleep for weeks is not enjoyable). Now let's do some basic math. 80 / 16 = ?????. 5. FIVE HOURS A WEEK. You must be kidding me if you consider an average of 5 hours a week to be some incredibly difficult challenge.

Want to do an UBRS run? How hard is it to be attuned to normal SL? Because that's probably how hard UBRS was. Is that too much to ask of you. You want your friends to be able to come to SSC? Pre-clear SP for them, so they can run in and snag the quest. Schedule Gruul, and Nightbane when their schedule fits. The problem isn't Blizzard the problem is you're too stupid to manage basic tasks. Grinding rep? There's no grind in TBC, you do quests, you do instances as part of your normal progression you'll have plenty of rep. As Gurg said it's no more unreasonable to expect that you should have to do these things, as it is to expect that you should be level 70 to raid.