Infraction for Asphyxialol: 3. All discussion should be both polite and civil.

♦ Carebare · 11/28/11, 10:53 PM

Post: Blood | DK endgame tanking [4.x]
User: Asphyxialol
Infraction: 3. All discussion should be both polite and civil.
Points: 1

Administrative Note:

Message to User:

I'm giving you and riggins each a 1 point infraction and a stern warning: Knock this back and forth dick measuring the hell off or you'll both be on an extended vacation. Take it to PMs, you are both adding a tremendous amount of bullshit to a thread that is shared by an entire community. Show some respect for everyone else.

Original Post:

Originally Posted by riggins

So many people commenting on things they are unaware about. It would be quite beneficial for the DK tanking community as a whole if people didn't say things that are nothing but unfounded assumptions. You will just end up misleading people and causing people to believe false information. Only post if you know about something and/or have math and practical experience to back it up.

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Several comments in regards to itemization theories pertaining to 4.3.

and things like:

This is not true. No, I'm not saying Pally will be bad, nor am I saying DK will be best or worst. Just wait and see how it unfolds. There will be a lot of feedback incoming.

Tbh, most (if not all) of the people who will be raiding 'progression' (read: Top 15 World) probably aren't saying things about much of the heroic encounters until after progression is over (for obvious reasons).

So basically you make a useless post telling people not to make useless posts?

Paladins are still the dominate tank, at least from a normals perspective (which was said in my initial post) from the PTR kills I've done on my warrior, dk, and my paladin. The heroic schedule was complete crap for me against my work schedule so I wasn't able to log in to raid. Paladins still have greater utility (and a 4pc that doesn't force you to sacrifice a tank CD for a raid CD), better passive mitigation, and comparable cooldowns, that hasn't changed at all.

Regarding progression posting it is obvious that people in high ranked guilds (conveniently calling out rank 15 which is the rank you are) would not want to share information about progression. However there are numerous logs and videos of the heroic bosses as they appeared on the PTR (obviously with all the bugs and tuning you would expect of the PTR) where you can easily review death knight, paladin, druid, and warrior numbers. Of course this is the PTR and the numbers can (and most likely will) change when the real patch rolls around with more tuning, etc. however preliminary numbers is all we have to go on (and it's worth speculating about).

As far as DKs posting information there are only 2 DK tanks in top 15 world guilds who are active main tanks (you and Wakez). Wakez rarely posts, and the posts you typically make are little more than information we already know condensed in to a single post and with your personal opinion about things with rarely any numbers to back it up (which is fine, you're entitled to your opinion just as much as anyone else on these forums is).

DKs are in a much better position now than they were, which has been said, but when it breaks down to progression paladins are going to be the tank you want in the raid if you have a choice for the majority of the fights, and you certainly wouldn't be gimping your raid on fights where another tank may be preferred. Considering so many of us have already rolled, geared, and have experience on a paladin it makes sense to advise that they are still the preferred tank based off the numbers which are currently available from the current incarnation of the PTR.

By all means, I would love to continue using my DK. I still prefer to play it over any other class, so if you have numbers to back up claims then feel free to post them. I would love to be able to tell my raid that I can continue to MT on my DK over my pally or my warrior.