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Old 03/14/12, 1:29 PM   #1
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Post: Fury DPS: 4.0 and Cataclysm
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Originally Posted by Influxreptile View Post
The problem with that is that I'm pretty much the only "competitive" SMF warrior with enough WOL logs to consider when comparing to TG. After having a discussion with the people who sort out simcraft for SMF we concluded that a lot of stuff hadn't been implemented correctly. Arms is without a doubt better than Fury right now but when you're simply making the choice between going SMF or TG I'd personally think twice.

Errors in the recent simcrafts were:

The fact that Heroic Strike is favored over RB during Inner Rage or whenever you're close enough to make it to your next Inner Rage without capping rage.
Second minor thing was that Gurthalak procs were overestimated. As we know now it doesn't simply just proc off everything in the main and offhand.
The third error was that initially Simcraft did not use Heroic leap on cooldown which is another (minor) SMF advantage due to the 20% overall bonus damage.

A last thing to keep in mind is that there are heroic weapons (although not BIS) available to SMF throughout the entire progression phase while Arms will effectively be using a normal ilevel weapon until the patch (and expansion) is cleared, which imo makes the entire "bis" issue debatable as it won't really contribute to your performance when it matters.

Considering fights like Hagara where proper cleaving on ice tombs can be a considerable boost to your dps I'd also guess SMF to be the most favorable spec on that fight due to cleaves being a lot stronger.
I raid in a guild that only does 9 hours a week and I don't really think I'm in the realm of "Elite" players but I am pretty good. That being said, I've managed top 200 logs on every heroic kill thus far as SMF in 10 man rankings.

45 h ultra, 60 h morchok, 73 h hagara, 88 h warlord, 155 h yorsahj
66 n madness

I don't use the "prepot" mastery trick as I don't have enough time to put together a mastery set only to have my guild laugh at me as they pull the boss 1 second early and I'm doing the entire encounter with a set of gear that has 5000 mastery on it. I think considering my average ilevel is 396 in SMF gear and that my raid lacks 30% bleed debuff most of the time, should show that SMF is at the very least equal to TG.

One of the things that SMF has going for it is rage management. Faster swings lead to more room to "play" with your rage. Weapon misses aren't as damaging when you have low rage which mean you can expend more rage during colossus smash, and on the flip side you can allow your rage to get closer to capping without actually capping due to the smaller chunks of rage you gain from each swing.

I would recommend SMF to newer fury players as rage management is easier, which can lead to dps gains over TG as the newer player doesn't have to worry about RNG quite as much.

Unfortunately, arms is just so much better than fury at this time that it's just kind of silly to use fury at all unless it's on heroic spine. I'd probably have higher rankings on all of those encounters I listed above if I hadn't gone arms full time 2 weeks ago.

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