Infraction for Thezilch: Whine post disguised as talking about new expansion

◊ Lord BEEF · 08/03/07, 4:52 PM

Post: Well, Blizzcon just opened...(Wrath of Lich King)
User: Thezilch
Infraction: Whine post disguised as talking about new expansion
Points: 1

Administrative Note:

Message to User:

Sorry you didn't like previous raids, this isn't the thread for it though

Original Post:

Originally Posted by heel

This. A gear reset is just one another reason for my guild to not raid until the expansion, which will hurt us that much more when it comes.

Mostly true.

The problem with TBC has been the timing of zone releases. Top guilds weren't farming Karazhan (UBRS, etc) before SSC / TK (MC). Then, there was no farming of SSC / TK before BT / Hyjal. Granted, some Illidan killing guilds still do SSC / TK during their week, but it isn't necessary beyond the want to be raiding.

I don't believe any value would have been lost if we were killing Kael'thas for, at least, two months before Black Temple's release. I haven't enjoyed Blizzard's raiding model since AQ, to be honest. MC and BWL farming was very enjoyable to me. Then there was AQ and half the raid couldn't care less for the loot. Then Naxxramas is released within weeks of the first C'Thun kill. Naxxramas was a very enjoyable zone, but how the release timing worked out, Blizzard could have done better. Of course, everyone simply wanted out of AQ and back to a BWL model. If AQ were more enjoyable, Naxx would have felt more rushed, as TBC raiding feels.

Which brings me to my final qualm. Tuning. AQ tuning -- shit. C'Thun should have died much sooner, and the zone wouldn't have felt so close to the Naxx release. SSC / TK, horrid tuning, which simply stunted the progression these zones needed. With the proper tuning, guilds would have experienced the needed farming of Vashj / Kael'thas before Black Temple's opening. Instead, the zones were made "clearable" at the same instant Black Temple was available. Surprise, if you could kill Kael, you could forget about Kael and grind through Black Temple / Hyjal.

And this is without discussing the loot progression between raid zones.

I'm hoping content pacing will be changed in future expansions (if I choose to still be a raider), to allow for some of the lulls we experienced in MC / BWL raiding. Hell, selling loot was pretty fun and benefiting for future raid progression. We started selling Vortex crafted loot, but then we were in Black Temple and could take little advantage of that market.