Infraction for Warpony: Grammar

• Belac_K · 08/31/07, 5:19 AM

Post: How to dicipline your raid, the good, the bad and the ugly.
User: Warpony
Infraction: Grammar
Points: 1

Administrative Note:

Message to User:

You couldn't even spell all the words in the title of your post right, and it went downhill from there.

Original Post:

This post is mostly adressed to raid- and guildleaders and others that are in a position where your more or less responsible for the performance of your guild, and your raiding progression.

I think most of us recognice atleast some of the scenarios:

Some geniouses manages to bunch up on Gruul, killing of 5 people the 25th time your doing it...

Clicking the cubes on Magtheridon is still a problem after having SSC and TK on farm...

After 3 months someone still manages to aggro Hydross over the line and wipe...

5 people stand around like sheeps when lurker spouts them right in the face...

Warlocks fail at kiting the murlocs at Morogrim, eventho it's just stacking up SoC and running...

Healer suddenly forget how much burst Tidalvess and produce and let the tank die...

A whirlwinding Leo looks like a smorgosboard of DPS posibility, resulting in 3 warlocks, 2 mages and 1 hunter pulling aggro and dying...

In a stroke of genious a warlock manages to pickup a stray Strider, just to get a poison, 0 dispels, 0 heals and dies cause healers were busy scratching themselves...

Oki, i think you all get the picture. People fucking up severly on farm encounters which costs loads of raidtime, slowing down the raid and possibly costing valuable time that could be spent on progression. You KNOW your fellow guildies are more then capable of healing a tank, avoiding Thaladred or whatever (Cause they've done it over and over), but for some reason people choose to play halfarsed and not do it.

The question here is, how do you, as a leader, handle misstakes? Do you yell? Do you have a therapeutical talk explaining that it's all gonna be fine if they just try a tad harder? Do you smack them in the face with a DKP-fine?

The cries of "PUNISH SLACKERS" are widely thrown around, up until the point where the zealous punisher finds himself in the crosshair for a dkp-fine. Then it's suddenly "too harsh", "unfair" and "your just taking the joy out of it"...

The choise might of course be just to drop all the old stuff and focus on progress (where people tend to focus more), but for the sake of argument let's drop that, since this situation IS gonna come in BT/Hyjal soon enough.

So, how do YOU go about diciplining your raid? Have you tried different approaches? Can you treat healers as a collective (aka MT dies, noone healed, fine all healers)? Should you single people out where possible?

All experiences and thoughts welcome.

p.s. I know there's threads on leading, but i'd like this more to be focused on punishment, motivation and how to handle severly underperformance.