Infraction for dmw: General Idiocy

◊ Kaubel · 09/13/07, 8:49 AM

Post: Rogue Gear Spreadsheet
User: dmw
Infraction: General Idiocy
Points: 1

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Original Post:

hi guys,

I have a real dumb question... but well, there are no dumb q's, just dumb answers

and because of the new-thread-rules, this was the best thread i can ask this questions. and hell yes, i read the threads and i did not found an answer to this specific problem. excuse me, if have overlooked something...

i've just been combat dagger for a few weeks, since I geht Vashj's Fang. from this point on, I really sucked at dps. I worked out the spreadsheed to get the optimal cycle to use. i did it there (boss only of course, trash is a other thing ^^), but I did about 3-5% less damage (#3 before (16-45 with dragonstrike + S2 OH-sword + both specs), #12 with daggers (classic 15-41-5). on tidewalker, lurker, karathress.. all nearly just as well to test dps as each other. equipment was nearly the same. spreadsheet told me just about 20 total dps less with daggers than with mace/sword.

yesterday we started raiding with 4 rogues in ssc, i was the (un)lucky one, who doesnt get WF totem, because i was the only dagger-rogue, the others were all sword or mace/sword. Reason: "Sword rogues does have a huge (numbers like 2.000.000 times appeared ^^) more benefit than dagger rouges from windfury". I argued with "in the end it's for all specs nearly the same... on lower weapons it procs less, but does more dmg, on faster weapons it procs more, but does less dmg. wf is an +dmg of ~20% of whitedmg to the total dmg, regardless of spec." nobody believed me, so i had just 5% crit from an feraldruid, the other three rogues had imp BS + WF totem all the time.

now, we wiped on hydross (no comments pls, i know myself that those were dumbass-wipes, not really dmg or heal-related...) several times. raidleader whispered me, asking me if i may respec, because i were #12, a few % behind every other rogue. i said "hey, look at the support of the others, than look on my support, than ask again if you want." result: i was switched with the worst equipped (S2-MH+OH-sword-)rogue on the other grp. result of that: i did 1% more dmg than the tries before, but was always fighting on #9 and #10 of dmgmeter with this rogue (who did then ~2% less dmg than before).

a few wipes later (i yet don't know what was going on this evening ^^) we all hat to repair our equipment, so i decided to respec to mace/sword. so I did, we had another dump wipe, but then this sucker went down, #1 was our best equipped rogue, #2 a warlock, #3-5 the other 3 rogues, I was #5 with just 1% behind #4, and that without having WF + Imp BS (I had the honor to be the badass rogue who I was at the start again...). later on Lurker it was exactly the same chart on damagemeter.

Now a few thougths:

- were the others right with there meanings of WF, that it is much much much better for non-dagger-rogues?

- does dagger really is that bad in raids? i cannot believe this, because if i look to armory, I can find many rogues who are daggerspecced, even in BT/MH.. i also know, it is suboptimal for fights which has a shitload of movement, but THAT much? i don't get it why i was THIS far behind the others.
i use recount with 200y combatlogrange, so i can have a look at every skills everyone used. hydross is immune to poison + rupture, so everyone's using eviscerate if they don't know what to do with their combopoints. because of the cost of backstab of 60 instead 40 energy, i can do less eviscerates than the others, of course. but their eviscerates did just about 15k dmg more than my eviscerates, what cannot be the HUGE lack of less damage i did (i talk about the 2-3 trys a HAD the WF debuff, just for clarification). so wtf is going on with daggers in scc?^^ i cannot say that i'm playing bad, i used haste pot on every cd, snd was (of course) always on, BF + AR + Bloodlust Brooch on every CD on the adds... i really don't know what I could have done better :-|

any suggestions?
dmw