Infraction for Lithraviel: Useless Post

• Belac_K · 12/11/07, 4:11 PM

Post: [Raid] Executioner vs. Mongoose, preliminary numbers
User: Lithraviel
Infraction: Useless Post
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Don't post the same thing in two different threads.

Original Post:

What am I going to do with this thread is over time establish the effectiveness of both the mongoose and executioner enchants for rogues. First will be the individual comparisons that will eventually include my own studied PPM, then when combining them.

As a rogue, it takes ~14 AP in order to increase our DPS by 1. That being said at AP of (see below) you get an increase to DPS of (see second number
AP: DPS:
1400 100
1500 107
1600 114
1700 121
1800 129
1900 136
2000 143
You can kinda see a pattern here, 100 AP = ~7 DPS increase, now with that being said we all know that mongoose proccing gives a 120 agility increase which is 3% to crit and ~9 DPS increase.
Now let us calculate the % of damage increased when mongoose procs
AP: DPS:
1400 9%
1500 8.4%
1600 7.8%
1700 7.4%
1800 7%
1900 6.6%
2000 6.3%
As you can see, mongoose gives diminishing returns the higher your AP gets.

Let us now look at executioner. What this gives you is 840 armor penetration. A fully debuffed boss will give you -4010 armor reduction (2600 for 5 sunders, 610 for faerie fire, 800 for Curse of Recklessness) I do not believe that we use CoR so our fully debuffed mob will be at -3210 armor. Here is the armor value for most high end bosses.

Serpentshrine Cavern:
Hydross the Unstable: 7700
The Lurker Below: 7700
Leotheras the Blind: 7700
Fathom-Lord Karathress 6200
Morogrim Tidewalker: 7700
Lady Vashj: 6200

Tempest Keep:
Void Reaver: 8800
High Astromancer Solarian: 6200
Al'ar: 7700
Kael'thas Sunstrider: 6200

Hyjal Summit:
Rage Winterchill: 6200
Anetheron: 6200
Kaz'rogal: 6200
Azgalor: 6200
Archimonde: 6200

Black Temple:
High Warlord Naj'entus: 7700
Supremus: 7700
Shade of Akama: 7700
Teron Gorefiend: 6200
Gurtogg Bloodboil: 7700
Reliquary of Souls:
- Essence of Suffering: 0
- Essence of Desire: 7700
- Essence of Anger: 7700
Mother Shahraz: 6200
Illidari Council:
- Gathios the Shatterer: 6200
Illidan Stormrage: 7700

As we can see, on average most bosses have either 6200/7700 armor, minus VR who is at 8800. What this means is that the mitigation done by a lvl 70 attacker is going to be R = (Ar)/(Ar + B)*100
where
R=damage reduction
Ar=armor
B=(467.5*Enemy Level - 22167.5) = 11960 for a 73 mob or 10557.5 for a 70 mob
So the damage reduction for a mob with x armor is equal to y reduction
X: Y:
6200 36.34%
7700 39.16%
8800 42.38%
So lets take out the -3210 armor that we should have from sunders and FF
X: Y:
2900 19.51%
4490 27.29%
5590 31.85%
NOW for the part that we've all been waiting for! the damage increase when executioner procs on a fully debuffed boss mob.
X: Y:
2060 14.69%
3650 23.38%
4750 28.42%
Thus, the damage increase for a mob with x starting armor will be y when fully debuffed and executioner proccing
X: Y:
6200 4.82%
7700 3.91%
8800 3.43%

As you can see, mongoose (at least with these preliminary numbers) does do more for a rogue when looking at damage % increase.

Over the next couple of weeks, I will be tracking the PPM, uptime and downtime of both my mongoose and executioner so expect more data as it develops.

I tested Executioner's procs using Procwatch mod. During the Fathom-Lord Karathress fight this recorded how often it procced per hit and every second of combat.
Recall:
803 Hits
27 Procs
11:11 of Combat time
which equates to ~29.7 Hits/Proc
total of 2.4 PPM which translates this:
Executioner on a boss fight, when consistently using SnD and attempting to hitting the target at all times, this enchant is up around 36 total seconds out of 60 seconds in a minute. These hits btw are counting my TOTAL hits, MH and OH
Trash, this proc is MUCH lower, around 1.3 or so.
My OH speed is at 1.15 with SnD up

Mongoose is currently only on my MH, with SnD up, i run 2.00 speed
On trash clearing to Fathom-Lord, here are the numbers
1451 Hits
58 Procs
21:21 Mins of Combat Time
which equates to ~25 Hits/Proc
total of 2.7 PPM which translates (on trash) to:
Mongoose on trash, when consistenly used with SnD, will run about 40.5 seconds out of a total of 60 seconds per minute.
On Fathom-Lord Karathress, here are the stats (remember that there is some running + wipes, etc etc STFU already!!!!)
692 Hits
27 Procs
10:13 Mins of Combat
which is equal to ~ 25.6 Hits/Proc
total of 2.6 PPM which translates (onto the boss) to this:
Mongoose on Fathom-Lord Karathress (remember that we did have to run around A LOT), when consistently used with SnD will run about 39 seconds out of a total of 60 seconds per minute.
One thing to remember about the proccing of mongoose is it is on my MH only, OH had executioner at the time I was testing.

Posts I used were:
Mitigation formulas:
Mitigation
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...74319573&sid=1
Armor Values:
[RAID] Boss armor values