Infraction for Mideci: Maniq's Ultimatum

Kaubel · 02/10/08, 5:08 PM

Post: 2.4 PTR and Patch Notes
User: Mideci
Infraction: Maniq's Ultimatum
Points: 4

Administrative Note:

Message to User:

If people aren't going to read this thread in its entirety, you'd hope they'd at least occasionally glance at the Banhammer forum and wonder about the number of recent "whining" infractions.

Original Post:

I'll reserve judgment until we see what this alleged "badge loot" looks like, but so far that's the one thing I find somehow disturbing. The 2.3 badge of justice loot was about providing a catch up path to get the "behind the curve" guilds moving through SSC/TK and ZA and it worked. Bravo. And it required enough badges that it wasn't entirely trivial yet made the desire to enter and conquer BT and Hyjal strong.

If you can go farm heroics for badges and get better loot than what's in BT, something very wrong will be in place with the incentive structure. Maybe it's me, but the way I saw the structure of the loot in ZA and the badge vendor was "do SSC and TK and don't necessarily over worry about farming Vashj and Kael forever." And then Blizzard, lo, heard the desire for the many terrific items off Vashj and Kael and offered a path more directly to them -- exact path TBD.

Taking out the attuements but requiring the vials for the Hyjal rings? Very fair compromise for incentives. But with adding the extra tier tokens and tuning Sunwell for Tier 6, I thought the whole pitch was "do BT and Hyjal" and then go beat Sunwell. And there is time quite frankly for guilds just starting out in Tier 6 content. There is a good 4-6 months before the expansion can drop under the optimistic scenarios. That's time enough to beat the game.

I'm confused as to why any meaningful badge of justice rewards higher than those that just recently dropped in 2.3 should be added at this time. I'm confused as to why Karazhan farming should be encouraged over Black Temple farming to beat Sunwell. I hope whatever Drysc was speaking about is highly limited in scope (very few items, very few slots) and very expensive badge-wise. Overly cheapening endgame vs. making it accessible is a fine line. So far, my guild 4./5 Hyjal, 2/9 BT fairly recently hasn't felt like it's been too cheapened. We only beat the nerfed Kael, but it was still enough of a challenge. We had some people in new heroic loot, but mostly farmed the crap out of tier 5 and ZA. We are enjoying the relatively easy early Hyjal/BT bosses. It'd be nice to care about the loot in BT and want to get everyone full tier 6, rather than have the same "let's kill Illidan once or twice" attitude many people took towards Kael.