Infraction for Flamingcloud: Trolling

Kaubel · 05/11/08, 8:53 AM

Post: [Warlock] PVE Raiding Compendium
User: Flamingcloud
Infraction: Trolling
Points: 1

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Originally Posted by Sethrod

I agree. Warlocks should try to focus on the staff first and leave sunflare to the other casters first for optimal raid dps.
Also, in case KJ drops a warlock helm, the best old t6 to keep would be the gloves, since sunfire handwraps offer the smallest upgrade compared to the other slots.

Wearing amice of the convoker (2x reckless pyrestone) + t6 gloves (10 spellhit gem) over t6 shoulders (glowing shadowsong amethyst/reckless pyrestone) and sunfire gloves(2x reckless pyrestone) would net

+2 hit
+25 haste
-9 spelldamage
-9 crit
+8 stam
+3 int

If you need to socket a glowing shadowsong amethyst into amice of the convoker for the CSD, you would still net
20 haste and 2 hit for 9 crit and 9 damage, which is still the better choice.

However, if you get the sunmotes for sunfire handwraps for a lot less dkp than you'd need for the twins shoulders, you should probably go for them since the difference is only marginal

There is a problem with your logic. You are associating a hit gem with t6 gloves.. when that hit gem could be anywhere so the standard value of the gem socket (a reckless pyrestone) should be associated with it. Also the blue socket you get on the t6 shoulders would need to be done somewhere else if not here so you might as well also assume that it was a reckless pyrestone aswell.

So final stats of sunfire + t6 shoulders are
+78 Stamina
+52 Intellect
+12 Haste
+21 Hit
+50 Crit.
+143 Dmg

and final stats of amice + t6 gloves are

+93 Stamina
+55 Intellect
+40 haste
+13 Hit
+41 Crit
+127 Dmg

leaving us with a net difference of

9crit
8hit
14dmg

vs

15 stam
3 int (about 1 rating with kings)
28haste

So 14dmg 8crit 8hit vs 28haste. If you lets say gem 1 hit gem instead of a reckless somewhere in your gear the gap changes to 21dmg 8crit vs 23haste 2hit. I wish I saved my gear set to tell you what the TNS values were.. but if I remember correctly dmg was close to 1:1 with haste at that point(with the 54 haste trinket etc), which would leave the t6 shoulder combo being marginally better even if the t6 shoulder combo ended 201 hit to amice's hit right on 203[not sure where exactly it falls.. possible its 203 to 205 or something else altogether].

If someone wants to put the gear set together (with m'uru items and a helm the same as ele shaman) that would be helpful, but I am not gonna do it again atm.

Edit: Oh and in regard to mages.. They are lower dps than warlocks so them getting gear upgrades is pretty much always wrose because they are less useful individuals. For the same reason you should heroism the locks instead of the mages. Second class citizens don't get heroisms. Even warlocks can't get full benefit off the hit unless its end game and you have already dropped the hit off your robe/pants/helm/gloves/ring/(and maybe neck/bracers).. unless of course you don't have gul'dan then I suppose you could make use mid-sunwell.