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• Bad Luck · 06/04/08, 9:06 AM

Post: [Mage] Help me please?
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Spell Haste

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Okay well I have been playing around with stuff and this is what I have come up with.

This is based on the empirical research I have been able to put together in game. My gear is about kara/t4 level in my oppinion. I have 2/2 Spellstrike and 3/3 Spellfire. I go against the grain and actually socket for bonusses in all my gear. I am hit capped at 165, and have 1108 unbuffed fire spell damage. My remaining gear is SSO rep rewards/badges with a one ZA drop. I am specced currently at 4/46/11.

I re-gemmed all of my gear for spell haste. By doing this I got 118 haste rating, and my dps went down by 20. ( I had been averaging 640 dps in raids, and after the haste rating I was averaging 620 dps per raid these numbers are completely unbuffed ( I did not want to skew the results). This fits with the math I have done based on the spreadsheet. (ie 1 spell damage = .6 dps).

Based up the finding that 110 spell haste rating = 7% Spell haste I have come up with these numbers:

330 SPH Rating = 21%
440 SPH Rating = 28%

and the magic number is 530 Haste rating (this gives about 34% haste). At 34% haste your GCD is 1 second and your fireball is a 2 second cast. here is the math:

The global cool down is 1.5 seconds. to make the math easier I multiply the GCD by 100 to get 150 "points" these are abitriary just helps me to visualize the math. So if my target is a 1 second global cool down that would be 100 points out 150 points or 2/3. Therefore we need to shave off 1/3 of the GCD so we need 33% haste ( 1/3 = 33.3333%)
Thus the "cap" for spell haste is 530 in my opinion. I mention this becuase somewhere somebody had estimated 780 or something for the haste needed to reduce the GCD to 1 second.

Also, I read in the posts that spell haste is really only effective at a certain threshold of spell damage. I dont know that to be the case. I have not raided past Magtheridon so i dont know what the fights are like in SSC/Eye/TK/Hyjal and what not.

I do know this my average dps went down; but the dps curve was flatter. If you look at my dps from a standard kara raid (or ZA) on the bosses where I can stand still and spam scorch/fireball my dps peeks at ~850 and on fights where I have to run like nitebane, prince, and netherspite my dps can bottom out at 450 dps. However, with the haste rating I was peaking at 750 dps and bottoming out at 500 dps.

I am totally of the opinion that dps is not the best measure of damage output/performance. But with the above model you can see that with haste the minimum amount of damage done was increased, not only was it easier to keep the scorch debuff up but it was alot easier to be mobile. and if you increase your minimum damage you increase the overall output of damage.

I know thier is some magical place where x amount of spell damage with x amoount of crit rating will provide the best damage out by minimizing the sporadic bursts of crits but maintaining a solid baseline of damage. I do not what that is but i think haste can be used (at any level) to make our dps more consistent.

I do have some questions though please anyone answer these becuase i can not get a strait answer on my server (even from mages in the top raiding guilds.)

First, I was told that a mage with only kara gear nothing from badges/rep/pvp/ or za/gruul or later can produce 1000dps on boss fights. I can not believe this I have better gear then kara and i do not come near that number on my best days. So is this true?

Second, I thought the best damage cycle was scorch x 5, firebal x8, scorch rinse and repeat... But when I look at the spreadsheet I see scorchx3 fireball x6 scorch rinse and repeat... Please help me with spell rotations i find that my dps on trash blows and it is really messing with my average dps.

I hope this helps. I feel completely at a loss most days as a mage. Please any feedback would be greatly apreciated.