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◊ Kaubel · 06/13/08, 12:15 AM

Post: [Shadow Priest] Help me melt faces!
User: slob
Infraction: Grammar
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Originally Posted by Matarael

Hi there, I'm a holy priest in a BT/Hyjal guild (currently 6/9 and 5/5). We have a lack of shadow priest since the beginning of TBC, so I respec quite often when we have enough healers. I only get the stuff that nobody wants (as I'm primary a healer), and I try to do as many ZA as I can to gather a haste stuff.

Due to incredibly bad luck on loot, i only have 3 pieces with haste ([Bracers of Nimble Thought], [Waistwrap of Infinity] and [Brooch of Nature's Mercy]). Right now i have the choice between:

Max spell damage set : about 1290 shadow spell damage raid buffed (neither including the 80 from the [Darkmoon Card: Crusade], nor WoA totem) and 0 haste
Or
Haste set : about 1230 shadow spell damage raid buffed (same as above) and 93 haste.

It's a trade of 60 spell damage for 93 haste, or 1 haste for 1.5 spell damage. After reading several threads about haste at shadowpriest.com • Index page, and the http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t16977-s...s_effectively/ , I thought i should choose the haste set to increase my dps.

After having tested both sets in raids and practicing a lot on Dr. Boom, I found that I usually do less dps with haste than without (on Dr. Boom, about 950 dps in spell damage set, and 900 dps with haste, in raids about 1130 dps with spell damage and 1060 with haste). I don't understand. Am I doing something wrong? Or maybe I don't have enough haste ?
What should I do to increase further my dps (except changing my crappy robe

)?

i'd say a combination of things more haste requires faster reaction times and lower ping to utilize, also....

1 haste = 1 SD in terms of dps output at ~1400SD, on boom you will do similar damage with 1230 + 93 haste since even with dm card stacked your at 1310SD at which point 1haste = ~0.85 SD so you only get 0.85 * 93 = 79 psuedo SD dmg out of the haste, 1370 (1290 + 80dmc) vs 1389 (1230 +80dmc + 79haste).....very close...all of this assumes your fully utilizing the added haste which i've found depends on the amount of haste.....

if you have enough haste / low enough ping that the added haste is letting you get off that last tick of mindflay before casting some other spell instead of cutting that tick then its an advantage, if your not then the haste hurts because your getting off the same ticks but doing less damage in those ticks....best way to check this is to use WWS or recount to look at your data, if your getting off more mindflay ticks and MB's per fight then the haste is doing its job, if your getting the same number of ticks you are hurting your dps going with haste. (your gonna got OOM faster with haste on boom so you need to look at spells landed over time)

a lot of it is timing, with the extra haste, just like when you have drums active you have to time your spells differently, for example, if you are used to starting your VT cast when there is 1.4sec left on the current VT dot with no haste then stack haste and then still start to cast at 1.4sec then you will hurt yourself because not only are your ticks doing less dmg but your going to clip the last tick of the VT not to mention that you may have cut off a mindflay to cast VT at that time that may otherwise have landed another tick if you had started casting VT at 1.25 sec left....

above example if a 1 spell example but spriest is a hard one to model for this because there are so many spells that overlap in constantly changing patterns, the haste changes to GCD allow you to "cut it closer" thus getting off more spells if timed correctly. haste can be the difference in getting in a SW: D right on cool down followed by a SW: P and a VT all right on dot downing where without the haste you couldn't have fit in the SW: D before refreshing the SW: P/VT on time and would have wasted several seconds of SW: D cool down costing you dmg.

With 125haste my mindblast cast is 1.39 instead of 1.5, not much difference, but remember that the key is working in more spells overall so the real time savings is a sum of the time saved on all spells/GCD, from there its a matter of cast timing to properly utilize that extra time.

-slob