Infraction for Apaine: Grammar

LodeRunner · 07/04/08, 12:46 AM

Post: [Druid] Moonkin WotLK Talent Preview / Discussion
User: Apaine
Infraction: Grammar
Points: 1

Administrative Note:

Message to User:

We don't "lol" here.

Original Post:

Originally Posted by Adoriele

"But Adoriele," you say, "we'll get MORE mana back this way!" It will never happen. If Blizzard wanted us to be able to get mana back that quickly outside of Innervate, we would already have it with the melee-for-mana mechanic. We don't. Why? Because in PvP, getting that much mana back would be overpowered. If all I had to do was get off 5 feral moves to gain back half my mana (or even just 1 for 10%), with no cooldown, no limits, no nothing, there would be NO WAY for me to go OOM in PvP. Couple that with the fact that Druids are currently the HARDEST class to drain mana from in PvP, and it's obvious that something like this will NEVER be implemented.

Seriously, put some thought into your suggestions, people. We have mana issues, yes, but Blizzard's very firm in their stance that no caster should behave as if they have infinite mana. This will never change, but it's also most likely not going to get substantially worse in the expansion.

LOL this made me laugh. Druids being the HARDEST class to mana drain? Adoriele, you are on BALANCE druid forum.... not resto one. The druid that is hard to mana drain is a resto bitch who heals with hots and hugs a pole at first sign of trouble. They typically have healer's gear that traditionally has lot's of spirit and mp5 and can always go to bear form to make themselves drain immune while their spirit regens their mana and hots do their work.

So, given that you are in balance druid forum, how do you say a moonkin druid is hard to drain??? Please explain it to me?
We use wrath and moonfire in pvp - both mana heavy spells, we are not immune to mana drain in moonkin, and if you shift to bear as balance druid, you effectively give up the fight. You got no spirit gear to help regen mana in bear, mp5 doesn't work, and your bear does no damage and has no feral charge. Did I mention your hots are half as effective (when compared to resto druids) too?

So please don't spurt out blanket statements like "druids are hardest class to mana drain" when it clearly doesn't apply to ALL the druids in ALL cases. Now if balance druid could be specced 51/51/51 then there could be basis to this argument.... As far as I know, from dps classes, warlocks deserve that title most. Affliction warlocks even more so, as they can actually hug the poles to avoid the mana drains while their dots do the dirty work. But all warlocks get lifetap, making mana a non-issue for them.

The ability suggested here should apply as deep balance talent precisely so the "hard to drain" resto druids could not take advantage of it.

And in PvP - with the way things are now, seriously, how many times did you loose the game cause you went OOM? OMM doesn't kill us in pvp, unless it's against a healing class... and without an interrupt, we can't kill healing class anyways. In a duel, you can wrath/moonfire a shaman or a priest or pally all day long and he will just heal all that damage up. Seriously, nothing would change if we'd have 300% more mana in PvP for moonkins... the dynamics would stay the same.

Besides, if you'd actually bother to read, the mechanics described here to give you mana requires you to go to cat/bear form and do 5 special attacks for 50% mana. That's what? 10 to 15 seconds? In pvp, are you going to walk up to someone, do piss poor damage for 10 seconds to regen mana, and expect them not to do anything? A mage can gibb a person in that 10 seconds easily, and also has way more options to regen their own mana. (talents, mana stones, evocate - 8 seconds for 75% mana back). Giving druids a viable PvE mechanic to their mana problems won't change PvP that much.