Infraction for Avitus: Whining

◊ Kaubel · 07/20/08, 9:39 PM

Post: [Paladin] WotLK talent trees/abilities discussion
User: Avitus
Infraction: Whining
Points: 1

Administrative Note:

Message to User:

OH NO! NO MORE PALLYS ON RAIDS BECAUSE OF MY HIGHLY SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS!

You should know better not to post that kind of alarmist shit here.

Original Post:

I don't know whether this has been mentioned here (I've skimmed the 14 pages posted so far and couldn't find it, as I haven't been actively following wow updates for a while), but I've just finished posting a pretty extensive writeup of wotlk changes for ret and came to the following conclusion:

Given the current state of the paladin trees and unless something significant is changed or added before this goes live, there will be no point in taking a retribution paladin to raids anymore.

-Consider this Holy spec, which I'm pretty sure will be very popular (or variants of it): 47/0/24

-A holy paladin will be able to mirror almost all benefits of a wotlk ret paladin (+2% raid damage aura, +3% crit on target)

-In contrast to what has been the case in TBC, a holy paladin is now encouraged to use judgements frequently, by adding the "judgement of the pure" (haste buff every time you cast) talent

-With "Enlightened Judgements" talent, judgements can be renewed at a 30 yard range.

-Given the above two points, the role of judgement upkeep traditionally attributed to ret paladins in TBC will not be needed anymore (though it might be more stable, I don't think that's enough to warrant a spot for a retadin if a holy paladin can emulate the same benefits and a higher DPS class like a rogue can be taken instead).

-The points spent in the ret tree are almost all beneficial, the holy paladin is only gaining: 5% spell crit, 60% HoT every time you crit a heal, Imp BoM

The only remaining benefit of having a ret paladin is "Swift Retribution" (+3% haste buff from retribution aura), deep in the retri tree, which is by far not enough to validate a raid spot.

Now just to avoid any misunderstandings: I spec holy frequently and I welcome any buffs we get, however I see these changes (if they make it to live, I know this is still very early beta) equivalent to a death sentence to retribution spec in 25 man raids.

Ideas, comments?