Infraction for JonIrenicus: General Idiocy

Kaubel · 08/06/08, 11:05 PM

Post: [Mage] WotLK Talent Preview / Discussion
User: JonIrenicus
Infraction: General Idiocy
Points: 1

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Message to User:

It's pretty easy to reply to someone without slicing their post into smaller, individual bits.

Original Post:

Originally Posted by manly

Well, I disagree, because I think your logic behind it makes no sense. If scorch did higher dps than fireball, but had a 30s cooldown, you'd be casting scorch and 'loving it' (?).

I still wouldn't "love" it, but I'd prefer that to the current state, yes.

To you its unfun to do because its a 'chore' (read: less dps). Well, then, nothing stops you from spamming fireball without casting scorch. See if you enjoy that. To me, its exactly the reverse from a chore; scorch means I gain +15% fire damage for the next 30seconds. This is what the spell does. How can I possibly be disincentived to use scorch if it read +15% fire dmg for the next 30s ?

Of course you would not stop casting it to keep up the buff, just as I pay 4.50 and upwards for a gallon of gas now. Even with a higher cost, not having the extra fuel, or more overall dps, would still be a net negative.

The point is that I'd rather not have to suffer through the chore of keeping up the buff, just as I would rather get the energy of transportation from the electric grid (i.e. chevy volt) as opposed to gasoline. Virtually no mage enjoys keeping the scorch debuff up, they enjoy the benefits, but not the act, given the choice of having a debuff built in like winters chill, or the scorch mechanic, what mage would choose the latter?

imp scorch is like filling up your gas tank, no one enjoys doing it, but you must or else you aren't going anywhere.

But I guess to you it would make more sense if fireblast was actually workable and more dps that whatever rotation you use for fire/ffb spec. To me, all it would mean is the same thing that scorch would do, it because something mindless that takes my attention away from the fight for no good reason. But hey -- according to your criterias, that would be perfectly fine.

Or maybe you meant to say that cast rotations are boring because they add nothing to the game ? Now we might come to agree on something. However, that different rotation could incur an extra mana cost which you need to dynamically readapt as you do the fight (much like AB spam). Most people would, I guess, consider that more fun to play. To me, its just the same old. I don't see why anyone would specifically call for a need to weave in fireblasts in a fire rotation for the sake of being more fun to play -- yet, argue that scorching is something unfun (despise the fact that both are the exact same thing).

I call bullshit.

Call what you wish, the issue is that scorch is something that hovers over every fire raiding mages head as a danger if it falls off as it gimps your dps. I'd rather not have to worry about the thread holding up the sword of Damocles above my head. Perhaps you enjoy this aspect, I call masochist.

Besides, if you want that kind of play, I don't see why it should be forced unto other specs than arcane (because thats pretty much what arcane is). Every tree has its distinct playstyle. Now you want all 3 trees to have a somewhat similar playstyle ?

No, I am glad the trees have different play styles, I just happen to like fires pve play style the least, precisely for the reasons listed above. But I do what I must to get things down, ala brutallus first kills.

Arcane is very dynamic as it stands, frost would be as well if they brought back a self buffed only version of winters grasp, but even without that, cooldown management elemental management provides some difference.

Fire is fire, nuke and and tune up, nuke and tuneup, where the tuneup costs you time away from your more enjoyable past time, heavy nuking! What incredible fun.