Originally Posted by NotQuiteThere

First time poster long time reader. Sry in advance for the wall of text....I tend to get in to this...

With all of the discussion of haste cap and when to use haste vs other stats I figure this might be a good spot for my first post.

I would consider myself a ridiculously geared Alliance Dwarf hunter in 4/6 SWP guild working on Muru.

Over the past several months I have been through testing of multiple different macros and gear combinations in order to put up the numbers my guildmates said i should have been putting up. I have used Cheeky's forever and have not quite seen the numbers its given me until recently.

My fellow hunters in the guild and I began recently combatting a post by another guild member who posted a WWS of one of SK Gaming's hunters doing 3000 dps on a Brutallus fight and said that he was giving us something to shoot for. On average I would do about 2000 dps in a grp with a Warrior, a Feral Druid and some other random classes but never really a shaman. I had been told I was not doing what I needed to be doing to put up the numbers I should be so I did not deserve a stacked grp. Through testing multiple variations of macros (ie /cast auto /cast steady /cast KC /cast LB) I would arrange them around in different orders hoping to see at least 2500 or so dps, but I still hovered around 2k.

I always thought my low dps was a factor of using the badge bow along with the DST and the rotation being off or something I was doing wrong. I was at my wits end and decided to instead of using the badge bow like I had been I would go with the Arcanite Steam-Pistol and no haste other than the DST. I had recently gotten the Felspine and using it along with the badge bow didnt seem to improve things. So with the Steam-Pistol and mojo daggers x2 and 3 hunters in the raid I just happened to get put in to a group with a Feral Druid, A Shaman, A Warrior, and a Pally and FINALLY I did almost 2600 dps I was ~50 dps from beating our Dual warglaive rogue. I think this proved to them that group was the problem and not me personally. Again latter that week in BT they stacked 3 BM hunters Feral Druid Shaman and we definately ranked much higher than usual for the night.

So now that the the group thing has been situated I wish I had kept all of my data on what rotation or arrangement of /casts seemed to work the best but I tossed it all thinking it was bad since I hadn't done 2500 dps.


I usually sit at about 170ms Latency and use 3:2 of some variation.

With Badge bow I can either sit at 2.03 unhasted or I can use the Pistol and sit at 2.1 unhasted

I can put on various haste items to lower both speeds dramatically. Pistol with Felspine is 2.03. Badge bow with felspine 1.96.

I also have Grip of Mannoroth and Grips of Damnation to play with for additional haste without a terrible loss of dps according to the spreadsheet. Still havent gotten the ZA cloak or Trink to drop for me


I have been using the badge bow for some time now along with DST. Even with the Arcanite Steam Pistol the WWS most nights does not look right at ALL. Instead of SS SS AS SS AS I was seeing SS SS SS AS SS SS AS SS AS SS SS SS AS. I can not figure out where the steady strings are coming from. With the Pistol unhasted I think because I was sitting at 2.1 speed along with latency pushed me in to a 2:1 and 1:1 at points rather than a 3:2 and 1:1 but when I am well below 2.1 with the bow I have no clue.


Questions...

1)With DST should I wear any haste items at all with the Badge bow. Should I even use the DST. Should I switch to the Steam-Pistol and use the DST and haste items. Should I spec out of Iaoth.

2)With all of the haste procs from rapid fire, drums, heroism, IaotH at once i go well below 1.2 close around .7 or so shot speed... would it be viable to try and use a 2:1 here and use the 3:2 when I am around 1.6ish shot speed and have it turn in to a 1:1. Or should I just let auto fire solo when I get that low.

3)Is there any arrangement of the 3:2 macro that is better than others ie having steady before auto or auto before steady or having KC at the begining or at the end or in the middle and the same for Lightning Breath. I wish I had kept all of my test data. Moral of the story..just because others tell you its your fault doesnt make it true.

4) Any suggestions on where the steady strings are coming from?


or should I screw all of the above and just go all out 1:1?


Next Brutallus I plan to go with Badge Bow, Felspine, DST and no other haste gear than that which has been my usualy setup for a LONG time before the group change. I am going to roll with a very simple 3:2. Unless you guys can offer suggestions otherwise. I usually always run with a Wind Serpent but the night of the 2600 Brut I brought a ravager because we were having an issue with it getting pally buffs and the ravager almsot always got the buffs it needed.

~2600 DPS Brutallus
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~2k DPS Brutallus
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Ive been playing with the use of the some gear over others according to Cheeky's spreadhseet:
SSO neck vs Choker of Nightmares
BM Shoulders vs T6
Eternal Champ ring vs Angelista's
Teron Cloak vs Kaelthas Cloak


PRAY GOLDEN BOW DROPS SOON....or even Bristleblitz for that matter.


Thanks in Advance

~Nim