Infraction for Obould: General Idiocy

• Aldriana · 08/13/08, 3:35 PM

Post: [Warrior] WotLK talent Preview/Discussion
User: Obould
Infraction: General Idiocy
Points: 1

Administrative Note:

Message to User:

Please don't quote-split. Thanks.

Original Post:

Originally Posted by Liar

Be happy we can Dual Wield. DW will scale better than 1h/Shield because it doesn't cap out on Hit as early as 1h/Shield or 1x2h. I also don't get why it matters if we have to swap out our shield so we can DPS.

For someone who has in his signature a nice sequenze of a Sword and Board warrior you seem more like a rogue screaming "Yes i can DW" *g*
Exactly you found it the term which is not right, its "scale" why should i have to change, oh wait completly remove, Nr.: 1 skill in Protection the ShieldSlam to actually do dmg even thou everyone can use it now, it should be my highest primary single target dmg dealing ability especially when speced Protection!!!

Originally Posted by Liar

Also keep in mind that SSing and BTing two different mobs is a whopping 50 rage. Your base Sunder Armor cost is also an unmodified 15 rage. That is alot of rage and bad TPR if you compare it to fully improved Dev and SS. Stalwart Protector also is a big bonus for the Prot tree, making already efficient skills even better. I guess your approach will work if you can afford swapping in a few more DPS pieces while tanking your heroics to sustain the rage flow and I admit, the BT self heal will be quite nice for AoE threat (but it is no Shockwave).

I agree alot of rage needed, i have only seen the open dungeons yet i have tried them in full prot and then with the other spec i just felt way better in a non prot spec (imp TC, imp Cleave, Incite).

And come on be honest Shockwave is a JOKE, not the dmg but the CD on it 20sec is just not cutting it. I have gone those dungeons single target tanking is easy (even in non prot specs) but try to hold 4-5 targets with the party using all kind of AE (Pala WW, Warrior WW, Mage AE, Warlock Seed) you can NOT hold it other then give me 30sec time so i can ShockWave twice.

The interresting part comes now, first spec this (lvl70): Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

You have absolutly no downtime at all questing / leveling (1.5% HP back from Bloodthirst) and in dungeons (with enough AP) your TCs crit for 280-350 dmg and the Imp.Cleaves crit for 1.3-1.6k on one target , this is just sick and once you have tried that you spit on Shockwave and its CD.

Originally Posted by Liar

Warriors are not the only class that have to change their weapon styles to DPS. No Prot Pala is going to DPS with a 1h/Shield either, they will use a 2h. Also, if you apply the logic to Feral Druids they would be DPSing in Bear form because changing from Bear to Cat is a change in DPS style which you critized earlier. Really, what is so wrong with DPSing as a DW Prot Warrior? I don't see it.

A Prot Paladin cant dps at all not even with a 2H!
A druid shifting is like a Warrior changing the stance, do you dps in defensive stance, you still use Dev/HS but hey you just lost one ability you dont SS anymore.

Whats wrong you ask is that we should not HAVE to lose an ability (the SS) if you dont gain an other damage ability!!!

Originally Posted by Liar

And for what it's worth, 1h/Shield DPSing is perfectly viable to solo/quest with on the Beta. I leveled from 75 to 77 like this in full DPS gear + Shield and the only thing stopping it from being just as fast as Fury is (ironically) the downtime because the BT self heal is THAT powerful. Still, in the end DW Devastate and DW Fury will outscale 1h/Shield in raids because of the better scaling but I don't see this is a problem to be honest. If you are a 1h/Shield guy, you can DPS like this. If you are a DW Devastate guy, you can DPS like this.

I have done 70-72 as well with full prot, no downtime, falling asleep spamming Dev/SS waiting for the extra SS to trigger so the mob goes down 1sec earlier, then i went fury with Bloodthrist and if you have done that you wont change back to prot spec for the purpose of leveling.

Anyway i dont want to pull a Shield in your left hand if you dont want one, what i want is that i can do as much damage as you wielding 2 weapons, especially when both specced into Protection, why not give me a ShieldCrush ability just in Berserker Stance with some nice Sideeffect of "chance to stun" / etc etc etc!!